14 years ago


We proved that we could run on them.. why not mix it in and create even larger passing lanes for Rodgers to attack and the receivers to hurt them in YAC?

Nothing more.

"Pack93z" wrote:



There were more running plays called, but Rodgers called out of a number of them based on the look the defense was giving him. I think Rodgers improved the average YPC by Starks by diagnosing the defense and giving him the rock when a run would be successful more often than not.
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macbob
14 years ago

I still can't believe we're having this discussion.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Neither can I. I wonder who started this dead-horse thread with a comment like:

We'll never talk about the need for a balanced offense again. Thank God. Was getting sick of that.

"zombieslayer wrote:



If you're truly sick of it, and can't believe it's being discussed, then quit bringing it up.

Again, since I apparently am not expressing myself plainly:

We had 3 turnovers from our defense. We should have creamed the Steelers. Why didn't we???

Was their passing game better? NO--AR threw for more yards and a more TDs.

Was their Special Teams better? Did their STs lead to scores? NO.

Was their coaching better? Not in my opinion. I thought MM's decisions were at least as good as Tomlin's, and I'd argue better.

So we're down to a running game--Steelers had one, we didn't. That was the ONLY aspect of the game where the Steelers were better than the Packers, and it was almost enough to overcome 3 turnovers.

What I can't believe is that you start this thread the way you did and then complain that you can'tbelieve we're still having this discussion. :violent3:
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
It's about time you made that signature big enough, macbob.
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macbob
14 years ago

It's about time you made that signature big enough, macbob.

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I keep going to squeeze it down, but the pictures start getting pixel-ly, so I went to take some of the pictures out, and I liked them all and couldn't decide which one should go.

I mean, which would you cut??? Bishop recovering the fumble? Howard Green knocking Ben's arm so Collins can intercept??? Collins scoring on the Pick??? Jennings juking out Palomalo and scoring a TD??? Woody defending (and breaking his collar bone)??? AR throwing a strike while under pressure??? CM3 and AR holding the Lombardi Trophy???

Decisions, decisions. I just couldn't do it. Sigh...
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I'd say take the contrarian path and blow it up another 200% or so.
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago

Or focus on the OL in the draft. Let's not forget that the Steelers have perhaps the best front 7 in the NFL and that's why he took all those hits.

Don't worry, you'll get your wish next year. Grant is 100% as we speak and he could have played Sunday. It's just IR rules kept him out of the game.

"macbob" wrote:



Our OL did a pretty decent job in the game. Aaron Rodgers was taking hits because we did not have a credible threat of a run game to slow down the pass rush.

One play in the 2nd half stood out. Starks was in at RB, Aaron Rodgers ran a PA fake to Starks. A LB was blitzing through the hole near where Starks was and didn't even give Starks a 2nd glance--he was making a bee-line towards Rodgers. Starks was only able to chip the LB, and Rodgers got sacked on the play.

Unless you are saying:
1) the Steelers had a better offense than the Packers
2) the Steelers had a better defense than the Packers
3) the Steelers Special Teams outperformed the Packers Special Teams
or 4) Mike Tomlin out-coached Mike McCarthy

I would like to hear your explanation on why we only won by 6 in a game where our D got 3 turnovers and scored a TD on one of them.

I don't believe any of those 4 in this Super Bowl. I'll anticipate your argument, because in my opinion it's the only possible one you could make--the receivers dropping balls.

Passing and catching in these tight areas, with DBs banging you and hanging on you is difficult. The drops were all on bang-bang, hard-thrown balls with defenders in the immediate area making life difficult for the receivers. When you throw it 39 times, you're going to have some drops. Get used to it, because no one is 100% perfect.

You can't subtract those out of your passing game. It would be like someone advocating running the ball saying take away the negative runs where an OL man missed his block--it's part of the running game, it happens.

So, with the totality of our passing game in SB XLV, we only won by 6 pts.

Aaron Rodgers had a TERRIFIC game, and we would have lost without those turnovers. The passing game by itself was not enough to win.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Maybe it really is the 3 dropped TDs instead of the running game. Rodgers should have been 36 of 39 for over 400 yards and 6TDs but Nelson dropped 4, Jennings, Jones and Swain all dropped one. One was in the end zone when Nelson was behind the D. One was on the side line when Jones was behind the D. Another was in the same area with Nelson behind the D. Not one of them was covered well. The defenders may have broken up Swains catch. But the other ones were hit in the hands when they were open and flat out dropped the ball. The ones in tight windows were caught by Jennings.

You dismissed the argument out of hand and denied that those were easily catchable balls that went through the WRs hands. Without that, your argument falls apart. Which is why the preemptive dismissal.

Didn't Mendenhall only have 11 more yards on a 3 more attempts than Starks? 4.7 yards per carry isn't credible?

Maybe the LB say that Starks didn't have the ball and didn't need to bite on the Fake, he had an unobstructed view.

We would have won by 23 if we caught the passes is exactly as valid an argument as we would have lost without the turnovers.
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14 years ago
Thanks Dexter.
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macbob
14 years ago

Maybe it really is the 3 dropped TDs instead of the running game. Rodgers should have been 36 of 39 for over 400 yards and 6TDs but Nelson dropped 4, Jennings, Jones and Swain all dropped one. One was in the end zone when Nelson was behind the D. One was on the side line when Jones was behind the D. Another was in the same area with Nelson behind the D. Not one of them was covered well. The defenders may have broken up Swains catch. But the other ones were hit in the hands when they were open and flat out dropped the ball. The ones in tight windows were caught by Jennings.

You dismissed the argument out of hand and denied that those were easily catchable balls that went through the WRs hands. Without that, your argument falls apart. Which is why the preemptive dismissal.

Didn't Mendenhall only have 11 more yards on a 3 more attempts than Starks? 4.7 yards per carry isn't credible?

Maybe the LB say that Starks didn't have the ball and didn't need to bite on the Fake, he had an unobstructed view.

We would have won by 23 if we caught the passes is exactly as valid an argument as we would have lost without the turnovers.

"Dexter_Sinister wrote:



Dexter-No, I didn't dismiss the drops. The point I was trying to make was that even with the drops our passing game was better than the Steelers. I mixed in another argument (it's unrealistic to expect there to be no drops) that just confused the point I was trying to make.

Rodgers threw for 304 yds and 3 TDs. Worthlessburger threw for 263 yds and 2 TDs. And we had a pick 6. Why did we not win by more???

IF their STs didn't score them points,
IF their D didn't score them points,
IF our passing game was scoring more TDs/points than theirs,
AND our D was taking the ball away (and scoring a TD for us)

The only thing left I can see for why the game wasn't a blow out is because they ran the ball better than we did.

In the second half of the game, their team gave us the same treatment we gave New England--mixed up their offense, controlled time of possession, kept our offense sitting on the sidelines for large portions of the time. Steelers KILLED us on time of possession in the 3rd/early 4th quarter.

Yards in the Steelers TD in the 3rd quarter to make it 21-17 were all on the ground (NOTE: one of the plays was a 6 yd scramble by Roethlisberger).

So, like it or not, with Rodgers throwing for over 300 yds, with 3 TDs and 0 Int, and a 109 QB rating--pretty damn good stats and a darn sight better than the opposing QB--the passing game would not have been enough to win the game without the turnovers. We would have lost the Super Bowl.

The passing game--by itself--was not enough to win the game.
zombieslayer
14 years ago
That's nitpicking.

D wins championships. Everyone knows that.

Now for O, passing > running. By far. Not even close.

You're still dismissing Dexter's point though. Steelers score 26 points. Take away our 7 points by a pick 6 and add 21 points by receivers actually catching the ball and we got a 45-26 game. Not a close game by any means.

So in other words, catch the damn ball people!
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Mendenhall only rushed for 11 yards more than Starks and actually had a lower average per carry than Starks did. I don't see how that could have had such a dramatic impact. Yes, Roethlisberger contributed an additional 31 yards, but those were all on protection breakdowns, not designed rushes.

I think this is a nonissue.
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