WhiskeySam
14 years ago

After the Bengals re-signed him in the 2008 offseason, Marvin Lewis basically said "this is your last chance". He had no altercations after that, and played well as a #4 WR. So do we just ignore his "improvements" just because his career was cut short, and therefore spent the majority of his NFL career in legal troubles? I'm willing to bet that had he lived to end his career properly, he would've "stayed clean" until the end.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



So we're supposed to ignore the circumstances under which he died because he said he was a changed man? This is a man with a criminal history of anger problems, violence, and substance abuse. He keeps a clean nose for 18 months because he's on his final chance with his employer. Then he dies during an argument with his fiancee when he jumps in the back of the truck she's trying to leave in and is thrown from the vehicle. What's more likely: he jumped in the truck for some noble attempt to stop her because she was impaired or he jumped in the truck because his anger got the better of him again?

I am floored that there seems to be no one here concerned that his fiancee may have been fleeing in fear for her life. The insinuations that she was a gold-digger and possibly murdered him are based on what? The fact that he died in apparently the same kind of situation that kept him in trouble throughout his adult life gets glossed over simply because he said he'd changed? It's not enough to say you've changed. Your actions have to bear it out.
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4PackGirl
14 years ago
it's pretty f'in sad that this guy died today & all that can be talked about is the bad he did in his life. lemme tell ya - i've done alot of things i'm not proud of in my life. i've never been arrested but should have been more than a few times. casting stones at someone we have absolutely NO intimate knowledge of is stupidity. i'm not trying to raise this man to sainthood but when a man's life is cut short, leaving 3 children behind that will never know their father, i find that tragic. whether he changed or not, his children could have learned from his mistakes and/or triumphs - that chance is now gone.
WhiskeySam
14 years ago
There's nothing preventing his children from learning from his life.
Nemo me impune lacessit
14 years ago
Wow. Thats all i have to say after what i just read.

RIP
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14 years ago

After the Bengals re-signed him in the 2008 offseason, Marvin Lewis basically said "this is your last chance". He had no altercations after that, and played well as a #4 WR. So do we just ignore his "improvements" just because his career was cut short, and therefore spent the majority of his NFL career in legal troubles? I'm willing to bet that had he lived to end his career properly, he would've "stayed clean" until the end.

"WhiskeySam" wrote:



So we're supposed to ignore the circumstances under which he died because he said he was a changed man? This is a man with a criminal history of anger problems, violence, and substance abuse. He keeps a clean nose for 18 months because he's on his final chance with his employer. Then he dies during an argument with his fiancee when he jumps in the back of the truck she's trying to leave in and is thrown from the vehicle. What's more likely: he jumped in the truck for some noble attempt to stop her because she was impaired or he jumped in the truck because his anger got the better of him again?

I am floored that there seems to be no one here concerned that his fiancee may have been fleeing in fear for her life. The insinuations that she was a gold-digger and possibly murdered him are based on what? The fact that he died in apparently the same kind of situation that kept him in trouble throughout his adult life gets glossed over simply because he said he'd changed? It's not enough to say you've changed. Your actions have to bear it out.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



Having a history of being a good person does not in any way excuse you from one terrible act. Having a history of being a bad person does not damn your current actions no matter the circumstances. I will personally wait until the investigation is complete before I go around calling him a scumbag who was trying to murder his wife and deserved to die. And yes, you basically theorized that he was trying to murder his wife, because you said she was "afraid for her life."
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Packers_Finland
14 years ago
Though I posted a response to WhiskeySam, it does not mean I care if he straightened out or not. A man just died, and I'm sorry for his family.
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WhiskeySam
14 years ago

Having a history of being a good person does not in any way excuse you from one terrible act. Having a history of being a bad person does not damn your current actions no matter the circumstances. I will personally wait until the investigation is complete before I go around calling him a scumbag who was trying to murder his wife and deserved to die. And yes, you basically theorized that he was trying to murder his wife, because you said she was "afraid for her life."

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



It is ridiculously naive to assume someone with a history of violence and anger problems was acting on the best intentions simply because he had recently claimed to be a changed man.
Nemo me impune lacessit
14 years ago
I don't remember him saying anything, to be honest. Everything I've read has been things his teammates and those who knew him have said. I'm not entrusting my life or safety (or anything) to him, so naivety has nothing to do with it. If he did in fact do something terrible leading up to his death, and his fiancee trusted his word prior to that, then she would be the naive one. I'm simply not rushing to a conclusion before I know the facts.
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WhiskeySam
14 years ago
Updated from CBS :

Police spokeswoman Rosalyn Harrington said homicide detectives have been assigned to the case but had no further information.

Later Thursday, police released two 911 tapes. The first was from an unidentified woman who said she was following a yellow pickup truck.

"It's got a black man on it with no shirt on, and he's got his arm in a cast and black pants on," she told a dispatcher. "He's beating on the back of this truck window. ... I don't know if he's trying to break in or something. It just looks crazy. It's a girl driving it."

Just over a minute later, an unidentified man called 911 and said he saw a man "laying in the road" and "definitely unconscious."
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
WhiskeySam doesn't add any of the quotes of the comments stating Chris was not what the public perceived. Convenient. I'm not saying he was an angel, but from what I've read and heard about him, he was on the path of maturing the last year plus. Changing who you've been for most if not all of your life doesn't happen over night, and anyone doesn't comprehend that, well, I'll let you figure rest out.

Here's some words from the Head Coach, Marvin Lewis, who has been a no bull kind of guy with Chris and also said he wouldn't bring him back, then the owner did just that a year later.

Lewis said that in 2009, in particular, Henry had been making positive changes in his life.

"We had seen Chris expand this year as both a person and on the field," Lewis said. "He had grown and matured. We extend our deepest condolences and prayers to Chris' family and to everyone else who held him dear."


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