Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I got this notice in my email today.

Dear Supporter of Marijuana Law Reform,

The measure, HR 2943 , an "Act to Remove Federal Penalties for Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults," would eliminate federal penalties for the personal possession of up to 100 grams (three and one-half ounces) of cannabis and for the not-for-profit transfer of up to one ounce of pot - making the prosecutions of these offenses strictly a state matter.

Passage of this act would:

* Give states the option to explore legal alternatives to tax and regulate the adult use and distribution of cannabis free from federal interference.
* Provide state lawmakers the choice to maintain their current penalties for minor marijuana offenses/or eliminate them completely.

Under federal law , defendants found guilty of possessing small amounts of cannabis for their own personal use face up to one year imprisonment and a $1,000 fine.

http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?alertid=13568661 
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NORML would like to thank Massachusetts Democrat Barney Frank, along with co-sponsors Ron Paul (R-TX); Maurice Hinchey (D-NY); Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA); and Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), for reintroducing legislation to limit the federal government's authority to arrest and prosecute minor marijuana offenders.

With an average of 6000 new supporters joining the NORML cause per week, it is clear that this MOVEMENT has serious momentum. It is time to energize, organize, and LEGALIZE!

Tell Your Representative to Support H.R. 2943!

Stay Free and Keep Fighting,
Sabrina
Sabrina Fendrick
NORML/NORML Foundation
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zombieslayer
15 years ago
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:thumbleft:

I don't even smoke pot (yeah, surprised a lot of you). I just believe adults should have MORE choices, not less.

Like I've always said, if you want to get stoned with a full automatic AK-47 and a half a dozen hookers, hey, more power to you, as long as you don't operate a motorized vehicle.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I don't use pot either; but I do think people should be able to indulge if they are so inclined.

By the way, this bill wouldn't make pot "legal" in the United States. Individual states would still have to legalize it within their jurisdictions in order for one to bake up without fear. This bill would just get the federal government out of the drug-busting business (when it comes to pot, anyway), where it never should have been in the first place.
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15 years ago
All these "non-users" wanting it legalized........LOLOL!!!
What....you guys have stock in "Twinkies???"LOLOL!!!
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15 years ago


Like I've always said, if you want to get stoned with a full automatic AK-47 and a half a dozen hookers, hey, more power to you.

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That would be a fun weekend.
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I don't know......high like that.......you wouldn't be able to do anything with the AK-47........OR the hookers for that matter.....
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Cheesey, I don't smoke, but I don't think it should be illegal. I rarely drink, but I don't think that should be illegal either. Just because I don't use pot doesn't mean I think others shouldn't have that right.
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15 years ago
I have never smoked pot in my life.


I think I'm going to look into purchasing a pound for Sunday's game.

Is that enough?
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15 years ago

I have never smoked pot in my life.


I think I'm going to look into purchasing a pound for Sunday's game.

Is that enough?

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hehe. well, that's probably a major felony quantity. :)

On the other hand, you're the one who spends 50,000 a month on food at that Giant store, right? (duck, run like hell from the K-Bar sweeping toward my head) :)

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I have never smoked pot in my life.


I think I'm going to look into purchasing a pound for Sunday's game.

Is that enough?

"Wade" wrote:



hehe. well, that's probably a major felony quantity. :)

On the other hand, you're the one who spends 50,000 a month on food at that Giant store, right? (duck, run like hell from the K-Bar sweeping toward my head) :)

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lol

You just inadvertently cheered me up. Tomorrow is "expiration day"...

My wife is slipping badly, sad to say. The good news is that I have been drinking name-brand sodas, the bad news is that we "only" get $1.90 a gallon off this time. It will be the inaugural event at the new Giant gas station. .699 a gallon, 30 gallons. My "record" is .299 (or .279--I forget, precisely) a couple of months ago, but that was some serious wheeling and dealing.

On a side-note, we got those "scanner" things now. You go into the store, present your bonus card, one of the machines lights up. You grab that one (They give you these really nice cloth bags to put your groceries in)

You scan as you go. You put the shit in the bags, (it has the ability to "reverse" a purchase)

Check out takes 10 seconds or less. They have special lanes for that. It is the "honor" system, but they do periodically "audit" a customer.

The absolute best part of this and why I am telling you all about it? I am conveying this all second-hand. I used to do approximately 90% of the grocery shopping for this household.

My wife digs the system. She loves the scanners, the cloth bags, the quick check-out...all of it.

I don't have to grocery shop anymore, she goes like friggin' daily, lol...
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You're welcome.

Actually, apart from the game day chat, grocery shopping remains the social event of my week (at least on those weeks when I don't take The Mom along).

My life has been reduced to celebrating sales on big bologna.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago
Well, at the rate the Packers are playing this season, I may be a cigarette smoker by the end of the year. 😞
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15 years ago
As much as I'm against the government taking over control of every aspect of our lives, I'm just as against any modification to current laws that would result in more idiots on and off the road. More people smoking pot is not a good thing any way you cook it. Sure, there're responsible people out there, but there's 10 times as many that are just too retarded and/or lazy to be trusted with another drug to waste their money and lives on.

Now, if pot were legal, I wouldn't support banning it.

Then again, the federal government giving up some control to state government is another plus... I'm kind of torn.
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Porforis, it would be just as illegal to drive under the influence of intoxicating cannabis as it would be to drive under the influence of intoxicating alcohol. And the likelihood is that anyone who would do so if it were legal is already doing it anyway.
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Porforis, it would be just as illegal to drive under the influence of intoxicating cannabis as it would be to drive under the influence of intoxicating alcohol. And the likelihood is that anyone who would do so if it were legal is already doing it anyway.

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So you're basically saying that there would be almost no new pot smokers if it were legalized? Or more people more willing to smoke it openly?
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I've argued in another thread that any increase in drug consumption would be transient at worst, but that is irrelevant to what I was saying here. My point was that anyone idiotic enough to drive under the influence of pot is going to do so whether or not it's illegal to consume. Just as it's always been illegal to drive drunk, yet people still do it.

The argument that drugs should be illegal to protect the risk takers is a non-starter. The risk takers are the ones taking drugs when they're illegal.
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15 years ago

Roughly 13,000 of the inmates currently in Illinois prisons are serving time for non-violent, Class 4 felony drug possession. Not drug dealing, drug possession.

I understand the cost per inmate is in the neighborhood of $20,000 annually (plus or minus 5 grand). So, some quick math., 13,000 inmates times $20,000 each is $260 million.

Let's say we can put them into drug rehab for half that. That's $130 million annual savings. That sure helps close the structural deficit.

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1. Marijuana is an unknown as a drug. Technically classified as a hallucinogen it shares aspects of all 5 types of drugs.

While many drugs clearly fall into the category of either stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogen, cannabis exhibits a mix of all properties, perhaps leaning the most towards hallucinogen or psychedelic properties, though with other effects quite pronounced as well.

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2. Largely believed to spread cancer Cannabis actually has never been proven to do so. In fact, the exact opposite has been found.

The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.

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3. Ending marijuana prohibition would eliminate the black market that's been created for it since it's much easier to cultivate than any other "drug." That means all related crime would effectively be eliminated as well. Organized crime would lose power and support.

4. Tax-payers money would not be spent on marijuana related inmates. In addition marijuana would be taxed making it profitable for the government. The black market for marijuana is the by far the largest for every drug hauling in an estimated $140 billion dollars annually, worldwide. Cocaine, the next highest drug on the market gets only half of that at $70 billion. Source .

5. It would allow police officers to spend time doing real police work instead of arresting young adults. The key here is the responsibility of the user, not the effects of the "drug."

6. Alcohol is easily a more dangerous drug. Easily. In fact there have been a few studies done of people driving under the influence of pot. The findings? High drivers tend to drive slower and more carefully.

Concerns about stoned drivers careening across our nation's highways are frequently cited as a justification for the continued criminalization of marijuana. Given the massive casualties associated with drunk driving, it's easy to understand how the specter of increased roadside fatalities can be effective in reinforcing negative attitudes about marijuana. However, a new report reveals that, while stoned driving isn't smart, it's hardly the death sentence some would have us believe.

Although acute cannabis intoxication following smoking has been shown to mildly impair psychomotor skills, this impairment is seldom severe or long lasting. In closed course and driving simulator studies, marijuanas acute effects on psychomotor performance include minor impairments in tracking (eye movement control) and reaction time, as well as variation in lateral positioning, headway (drivers under the influence of cannabis tend to follow less closely to the vehicle in front of them), and speed (drivers tend to decrease speed following cannabis inhalation). In general, these variations in driving behavior are noticeably less consistent or pronounced than the impairments exhibited by subjects under the influence of alcohol. Also, unlike subjects impaired by alcohol, individuals under the influence of cannabis tend to be aware of their impairment and try to compensate for it accordingly, either by driving more cautiously or by expressing an unwillingness to drive altogether.

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I don't condone driving high, in fact I think driving under the influence of any substance is stupid.

If you have any more questions about cannabis feel free to ask. As someone who smokes it time-to-time I felt the need to research it when I myself questioned it's illegality. I think alcohol is a lot worse. I'm not saying marijuana is perfect and has no problems. Laziness is one of the biggest problems I have with it. But what's wrong with being a responsible user in the comfort of your own home? Marijuana is widely enough available that anyone who wants it can already find it. Ending the prohibition would allow it to be regulated properly so it's taxed and not sold to minors. Like all problems I think education and understanding the issue is most important.
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People in jail for drugs don't usually get there because they were caught one time with one joint.
There are reasons they are locked up.
And besides, it IS illegal, and if you choose to break the law, then you also choose the consequences.
I don't feel too sorry for people locked up in that case. They did the crime, now comes the time.
If "expense" is the reason you argue to do away with locking them up, then might as well just keep going and do away with even bigger laws.
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Got my pound, man...went job hunting...

Awesome, dudes 
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People in jail for drugs don't usually get there because they were caught one time with one joint.
There are reasons they are locked up.
And besides, it IS illegal, and if you choose to break the law, then you also choose the consequences.
I don't feel too sorry for people locked up in that case. They did the crime, now comes the time.
If "expense" is the reason you argue to do away with locking them up, then might as well just keep going and do away with even bigger laws.

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It depends where you are in the country. People actually do get locked up for small amounts. My problem is that these are non-violent offenders. They had what was deemed "too much pot" so they get thrown in jail. Why not just admit them into substance abuse programs? Why not let them have treatment? Locking someone up for smoking weed is ridiculous.

Under federal law, marijuana is treated like every other controlled substance, such as cocaine and heroin. The federal government places every controlled substance in a schedule, in principle according to its relative potential for abuse and medicinal value. Under the CSA, marijuana is classified as a Schedule I drug, which means that the federal government views marijuana as highly addictive and having no medical value.

If convicted and sentenced to jail, a minimum of 85% of that sentence must be served. The higher the marijuana amount, the more likely one is to be sentenced to jail time, as opposed to probation or alternative sentencing. Low-level offenses, even with multiple prior convictions, may end up with probation for the entire sentence of one to twelve months, and no jail time required.



Marijuana is less of a problem than alcohol and yet alcohol is legal while marijuana is not. People get drunk and do lots of stupid shit like break things, get into fights, drive, get alcohol poisoning, accidentally drown themselves (happens a lot more than you think) and overall make decisions they regret. If you get high the stupidest thing your going to do is eat too much food or waste four hours of your day in which you could have been productive. Not to mention that you can't overdose on marijuana.
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