zombieslayer
15 years ago

Funny thing is that the Democrats appear to have to clean up after the Republicans who get them into these wars (Eisenhower --> Kennedy/Johnson) (W. Bush --> Obama), or get involved because they really have no choice. (Wilson, FDR).

That said, If you're inheriting a war, the quickest way to end it would be by going with mass deployment. Otherwise it'll turn into a 10 year plan.

As for Obama's peace price, he appeared to be pretty surprised himself, as well. I guess he's getting it on intentions and recent diplomatic actions. I mean, you have to admit that he's been pretty active in that department already. Maybe it has a little to do with that US' international standings as well. You've surely become more popular around the world.

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Wilson had a choice. WWI was the most stupid war America ever got into.
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TheEngineer
15 years ago
I think a part of why Obama won isn't because of what he's done but what he symbolises - a continued unification of global democracy, mutual cooperation and understanding. He's black. He's the American president. He's had to "rescue" the US, and by proxy most of the rest of the world, out of a global recession. If we weren't in contemporary 21st century cultural values we would have never thought that possible.

Does he deserve it? Yes and no. He's worked hard to get where he is, no doubt. Is there a better candidate? Possibly, I don't know. I don't think it's a reward for Obama as much as a reflection on how grown up the rest of the world is.

But politics is foreign to me, so maybe I'm just spouting bs.
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Rockmolder
15 years ago

Funny thing is that the Democrats appear to have to clean up after the Republicans who get them into these wars (Eisenhower --> Kennedy/Johnson) (W. Bush --> Obama), or get involved because they really have no choice. (Wilson, FDR).

That said, If you're inheriting a war, the quickest way to end it would be by going with mass deployment. Otherwise it'll turn into a 10 year plan.

As for Obama's peace price, he appeared to be pretty surprised himself, as well. I guess he's getting it on intentions and recent diplomatic actions. I mean, you have to admit that he's been pretty active in that department already. Maybe it has a little to do with that US' international standings as well. You've surely become more popular around the world.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Wilson had a choice. WWI was the most stupid war America ever got into.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Wilson had a choice to a certain extend. He tried to remain isolated from the war for a very long time. An English passenger ship with quite a lot Americans on it was sunk by Germany. Germany kept on falling back to unrestricted submarine warfare. Two of your war factories where sabotaged by the Germans. You where attacked on your homeland. It's miraclous that it took a pact by Mexico, Germany and Japan against you to get into this war.

I mean, they had to sink another 7 merchant ships before you entered the war actively.

In hindsight, I personally think that this was the first step into making you the biggest power in the world. Of course, the economy was booming before that and you where a force to be reckoned with, but you showed total dominance in that was. Coming in and sweeping away the Germans in no time.
Cheesey
15 years ago
What Obama got amounts to a "participation trophy".
Thats how low the "Nobel Prize" has fallen.

As far as other nominees, if none of them deserved it, DON'T GIVE THE DAMN AWARD OUT. There, was that so hard?
This just lowered the value of the award.
Might as well give me one, for all the fights i defused on here. (That was sarcasm, in case someone misunderstood)

And Al "the sky is falling, and i invented the internet" Gore? Come on.....they are gonna have to rename the award
"THE NOTRUTH PRIZE"
Who's gonna get it next? Michael Moore???
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
As far as I am aware, there is no requirement that the prize be awarded every year. In years in which there is no recipient the funds simply accumulate interest from their investments. Someone asked who else should have gotten the honor -- if that's become the standard on which the honor is handed out, they should save it for another year.

By the way, I was reading Liberal Intelligence magazine yesterday, and they're becoming increasingly disillusioned with Obama as well. He's proving himself to be the consummate moderate -- exactly as I predicted would happen before he was elected.

"Change we need"? Ha!
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Cheesey
15 years ago
"CHANGE"......yup........that all i have in my pockets!
Truth is, Obama is a smooth talker. That got him into office. He talks nice.
I was always taught to be wary of smooth talkers.
He's probably a nice guy, but that hardly makes him capable of running the country.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Oh, I fully believe Obama is capable of running this country, but that's precisely because he's not a radical. He's actually shown deference to the wishes of Congress -- what a novel concept!

Bush, by contrast, was the closest thing to a tyrant this country has ever endured, trammeling on the prerogatives of Congress in a way that rivaled perhaps only Abraham Lincoln, who actually went to the extreme of suspending habeas corpus. (Yes, I believe that the administration of Abraham Lincoln was one of the worst things that ever happened to this nation. Not in ending slavery, of course, but in establishing the primacy of the federal government over the sovereignty of the states.) Had our Founding Fathers witnessed President Bush's reign, they would assuredly have lead a mob on the White House and strung him up from the nearest lamp post. They deliberately gave us a weak executive branch and would have been horrified to see how many powers Bush accumulated during his administration.

While I in no way agree with Obama's political ideology, I certainly respect the way he has shown due deference to Congress. It's a welcome relief after 8 years of utter disregard for the separation of powers.
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4PackGirl
15 years ago

The thing I hate about this is that people actually try to make this Obama's fault and it sheds him in a bad light when he had nothing to do with it. It's not like he asked for the award.

"The_Green_Ninja" wrote:



Yet you forget, he could have declined it.

"djcubez" wrote:



omfg & the "offend" the givers of the nobel peace prize?? come ON!! imagine what people would think of THAT?? damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

i don't agree with his even being nominated for it, much less winning it, btw.
The_Green_Ninja
15 years ago

The thing I hate about this is that people actually try to make this Obama's fault and it sheds him in a bad light when he had nothing to do with it. It's not like he asked for the award.

"4PackGirl" wrote:



Yet you forget, he could have declined it.

"The_Green_Ninja" wrote:



omfg & the "offend" the givers of the nobel peace prize?? come ON!! imagine what people would think of THAT?? damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

i don't agree with his even being nominated for it, much less winning it, btw.

"djcubez" wrote:



Yes he could have. He could have politely. From an Article  - "Le Duc Tho, awarded the 1973 Nobel Peace Prize jointly with US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, is the only person who has declined the Nobel Peace Prize. They were both awarded the Prize for negotiating the Vietnam peace accord. Le Doc Tho said that he was not in a position to accept the Prize, citing the situation in Vietnam as his reason."

So it's been done before... and Obama could have said it's not right to accept it due to his lack of experience or unworthiness. That would have been probably more honorable then anything.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Well deserved.
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