kobe16
15 years ago
I'm starting to think that year he emerged as an upcoming feature back was a fluke. We need a running game badly to work on PA.
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Django
15 years ago

Am i the only one who felt more confident with brandon jackson in the backfield than grant? (I know hes sidelined..)

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Maybe not more confident, but as confident.

No knock against Grant but I feel it would give the overall running game a kick in the ass if BJack got more carries.

Yeah, I do know it starts with the OLine.
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Django
15 years ago

Brandon Jackson is not, and won't be a feature back in the NFL.

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Said Jerry Glanville about Brett Favre in 1991.
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Tezzy
15 years ago
Meh, can come up with thousands of those examples. And like most of the examples those players didn't have success with their first teams. I'd be happy for Jackson to have success, I don't see it happening here. He played behind a much different style offensive line in college, unless we change our run scheme to match his skill set, then I don't see him being a feature back. And maybe I should revise my statement, not a feature back with the Packers.
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Django
15 years ago

Meh, can come up with thousands of those examples. And like most of the examples those players didn't have success with their first teams. I'd be happy for Jackson to have success, I don't see it happening here. He played behind a much different style offensive line in college, unless we change our run scheme to match his skill set, then I don't see him being a feature back. And maybe I should revise my statement, not a feature back with the Packers.

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I see your point on being a feature back with the Packers. I just feel from the practices I've seen he deserves more carries. He just seemed to catch my eye, being a little more agile in traffic.
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Tezzy
15 years ago

I see your point on being a feature back with the Packers. I just feel from the practices I've seen he deserves more carries. He just seemed to catch my eye, being a little more agile in traffic.

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I'll admit that I don't get to see him in practice, so I can't judge. I can only assume that when he's available, he isn't earning more carries because you earn it in practice, since he has limited carries in games. Now if he gets healthy and stays healthy, I'll be curious to see how it goes. If anything competition can't hurt. Love how Hightower in Arizona has responded to them drafting Beanie Wells. Could only hope that would happen. I just want success, no matter how it comes. We all deserve it 😛 I want gameday chat to be fun again, lol.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago

That's another one of those bs stats.

When you pass a lot, it's often because the other team has the lead. When you run a lot, it's often because you have the lead and you're wearing them down and/or running out the clock.

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It's not bs. I took lots of time collecting those stats. My effort was not bs. You're bs!! (im j/k btw)


Yeah, it's a stat that you can find a trend in and the trend is when the RB gets more carries, you win more. It's not really BS, but in a sense, it is.

You can say when you're winning you run a lot, but who's to say you're not winning BECAUSE you're running a lot? It can go both ways, just like Shawn.
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nyrpack
15 years ago
grant better wake up,i know hes not getting the heavy amont of carries, but he has to produce a little more when he gets the touches, not to mention a critical fumble !!
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zombieslayer
15 years ago

That's another one of those bs stats.

When you pass a lot, it's often because the other team has the lead. When you run a lot, it's often because you have the lead and you're wearing them down and/or running out the clock.

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It's not bs. I took lots of time collecting those stats. My effort was not bs. You're bs!! (im j/k btw)


Yeah, it's a stat that you can find a trend in and the trend is when the RB gets more carries, you win more. It's not really BS, but in a sense, it is.

You can say when you're winning you run a lot, but who's to say you're not winning BECAUSE you're running a lot? It can go both ways, just like Shawn.

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:lol:

No, I didn't mean it that way.

But this is the thing, on a serious note...

This is what I want to see happening - we build a quick lead with our WCO (which hasn't been used enough this year IMO), and then we run the ball down their throats.

What's happening though is we're playing catch up which involves a lot of passing the ball.

Let's take a look across the pond to the Vikings. The Lions had a 10-0 lead, so the Vikings passed 70-80% of the time until it became 14-10. Then they ran the ball down the Lions' throat.

Perfect example. They did it because they CAN. We didn't have that luxury.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
I went through each play of that game.

The scoring went as follows.
3 - 0
10 - 0
10 - 7
10 - 10
10 - 17
10 - 20
10 - 27
13 - 27


Middle of the 3rd quarter they took a 10 - 17 lead. After that score, they ran it 7 times and called 11 pass plays to close out the game. That's about 39% runs after they took a 7 point lead they still passed it more than ran.


Prior to that, they ran 14 run plays and 20 pass plays.

It should be noted that the pass plays are all short dump off's with the exception of only a few that were farther than 7 yards. (true form of WCO i think)


I still say, if you run it more, you increase your chances of winning. It's been commonly stated that the more you run, the more grove you get into and the better you do at it.

Run plays wear a defense down, even if you only get 2 yards. Remember when McCarthy first game here, he CLAIMED that was his philosophy and almost detailed it exactly how I just said it.

I'm taking a break, that was a lot of crap to read through for a team I hate. Zombie, next time, PLEASE use a team that I don't hate for an example. 🙂
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