Think of it like this.......remember the sinking of the Titanic? People were told to get into the lifeboats, that the great ship was going down. Many laughed, and i read where MANY made statements like "Why should we leave this great ship, to climb into a tiny, cold, lifeboat?" So was in the day of Noah. No one believed him, they laughed at him and the whole idea of a flood. People ridiculed the crew on the Titanic for telling them to get into the lifeboats, and many ended up dieing. Just like all those that Noah warned, time and time again, only to die because of their choosing to ignore him.

And I'm SURE Noah had GREAT vision. Not near perfect, but lots better then we have today. Even with that, stand and look out over lake Michigan. On a clear day, can you see Michigan from Green Bay? The curvature of the earth prevents you from seeing farther, right? So i think that fact would say why Noah didn't see land, and the WHOLE EARTH was flooded. And there was nothing out there to kill the bird. It was the only living thing flying around.
Oh....and not all seas creatures were spared, i'm sure. Under water volcanos i'm sure erupted at the time of the flood, and i bet there were creatures killed by the boiling water and lava.

"Cheesey" wrote:

Ok......the "meat" reference......you refered to God as a "murderer" for killing all those animals, right?
NOW you see how it ties in? I am a hunter. I actually KILL deer. Do i consider myself a murderer? Nope. If you eat meat, what i meant was you have a part in "murdering" animals for as many years as you eat meat.

"Cheesey" wrote:

Ok......the "meat" reference......you refered to God as a "murderer" for killing all those animals, right?
NOW you see how it ties in? I am a hunter. I actually KILL deer. Do i consider myself a murderer? Nope. If you eat meat, what i meant was you have a part in "murdering" animals for as many years as you eat meat.
So.....if i lost you on that, i'm sorry.
Oh....and God had to kill animals to clothe Adam and Eve when they sinned and for the first time realized they were naked. They CAUSED the first death by their actions.
As far as the bird goes, if God could protect Noah, his family, and the animals on the ark, do you think He would not protect the bird that Noah sent out?
I can hear the reply now....."Why didn't God just TELL Noah when it was safe to get off the ark?" I don't KNOW why. But God doesn't ALWAYS spell things out in detail for us, or tell us WHY things happen a certain way. So He made Noah do it that way.
Many times when i was young, i would ask my parents if i could go somewhere or do something. Sometimes I would hear "NO." When i asked "why?" Sometimes i got a detailed reply, sometimes i got "Because i said so."

"Cheesey" wrote:

Pack93Z....God said "You shall not murder". It was pointed at US.
God does NOT "murder". Like i have said over and over, He gave the people the choice to follow Him or not. They themselves chose NOT, and thus chose their ultimate death.
You can try to blame God for that, but it's NOT fair or right. He provided the way out, to safety. He had Noah TELL the people for MANY YEARS that the flood was coming. The PEOPLE chose to instead laugh at him, make fun of him. So who's fault ultimately is it that they died?

"Cheesey" wrote:

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown."[17] Angered by the wickedness of mankind, God selects Noah,[18] "a righteous man, blameless in his generation," and commands him to build an Ark, and to take on it his family and representatives of the animals.[19] God destroys the world with a Flood,[20] and afterwards enters into a covenant with Noah and his descendants, the entire human race, promising never again to destroy mankind in this way. God creates the rainbow and puts it in the sky as a sign of his promise[21] Noah plants a vineyard, drinks wine, and falls into a drunken sleep. Ham "uncovers his fathers nakedness," and Noah places a curse on Ham's son Canaan, saying that he and all his descendants shall henceforth be slaves to Ham's brothers Shem and Japheth[22]

Pack93Z....God said "You shall not murder". It was pointed at US.
God does NOT "murder". Like i have said over and over, He gave the people the choice to follow Him or not. They themselves chose NOT, and thus chose their ultimate death.
You can try to blame God for that, but it's NOT fair or right. He provided the way out, to safety. He had Noah TELL the people for MANY YEARS that the flood was coming. The PEOPLE chose to instead laugh at him, make fun of him. So who's fault ultimately is it that they died?
If you stand in the middle of a busy road, and run around laughing, while someone keeps yelling to you "Get out of the road! You're gonna get run over!" And YOU decide to ignore their pleas for you to get out of the road, will you blame THEM for when you DO get run over?

"Cheesey" wrote:

"Cheesey" wrote:

Genesis 6

1 When men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for he is flesh, but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown. 5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and beast and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them." 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. 9 These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah had three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11 Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth. 13 And God said to Noah, "I have determined to make an end of all flesh; for the earth is filled with violence through them; behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make yourself an ark of gopher wood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above; and set the door of the ark in its side; make it with lower, second, and third decks. 17 For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall die. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you; and you shall come into the ark, you, your sons, your wife, and your sons' wives with you. 19 And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground according to its kind, two of every sort shall come in to you, to keep them alive. 21 Also take with you every sort of food that is eaten, and store it up; and it shall serve as food for you and for them." 22 Noah did this; he did all that God commanded him.