umair_010
a year ago

Seriously? What does this even mean?

I lay out potential options I see other trams utilize and this is the garbage stated in response? Do we talk ball here anymore or just a cesspool of attempts to one up someone for a pathetic giggle?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




I already stated what I think the problem is. The coaching staff needs to get wiped out. They made zero adjustments In this losing streak. It's pretty clear now that our former qb was carrying a lot of the weight. Well now that he's gone it's starting to show. We can't even evaluate Love because absolutely everything around him is hogwash.
umair_010
a year ago

I already stated what I think the problem is. The coaching staff needs to get wiped out. They made zero adjustments In this losing streak. It's pretty clear now that our former qb was carrying a lot of the weight. Well now that he's gone it's starting to show. We can't even evaluate Love because absolutely everything around him is hogwash.

Originally Posted by: umair_010 



It's the same mistakes week in and week out. Time to clean house. Even if we get top draft picks it won't make an ounce of difference. You need good people running the show.
beast
a year ago

I am sure Beast will correct me here, but our offense, like SF, is based on a (wide) zone blocking scheme. Everything is set up off this scheme....play action, screens, and pass blocking.

You can't simply change schemes mid season, you need to get players who can effectively play within your system.

Clearly, we do not have the OLine that can excel or succeed in the system.

Moreover, we cannot pick up a 3rd & 1 or 4th and 1 to save our souls because we just don't have any road grader Olinemen.

This is on Gutey and the player personnel team.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


Well since you mentioned me... I would say mostly correct, but not everything is based on scheme, as all teams also run a little bit of everything. Just maybe a lot more of certain types of things.

I think the harder part of adding players is learning the different terminology, and chemistry a d things to that effect, though every player is different, such as supposedly QB Chad Pennington went to the Dolphins and learned the entire playbook in less than a week. But most can't do that.

But absolutely yes, the wide zone scheme.e generally takes pressure off of the QB... but pressure doesn't just go away, it's just shared with more players, usually the RB and OL.

That being said, I'm not sure this OL can do well in any scheme, just not talented enough.

Our guards have been hurt since the Detroit game.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


I think they were injured before the Lions game, and Runyan MIGHT be healthy again, or at least he played one game back at his normal level.

The more I hear the more it seems scheme is miminal. It's like defense 3-4 base but teams rarely use base relatively to sub packages. Offenses aren't much different. And clearly what they're doing isn't working so why not try something different? I'm not being insane here by saying out our LG coming off ACL to RT. I'm not saying out a stud permiter CB inside. Im saying instead of whatever blocking scheme they've trotted out there, maybe try a scheme where you just get in the defenders way rather than just watch the guy walk around ya.

I'm just asking for some effort rather than the same ramble ramble every week with the same failures over and over again. If you got a headache, stop hitting your head against the wall.

I'm not saying go from West Coast offense to Run n Gun from top to bottom. I'm saying find something SIMPLE that the guys can execute and build off it.

Something. Anything. Teams change/modify schemes all the time. Hell, 2010 Packers defense did half way through the season!! It can be done. It has been done.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


Yes, I believe LaFleaur wants to run a TE/FB system like Shanahan, but he's never had the TE/FB to do it and therefore has gone with more 3 WRs.

Meaning that just because they want the scheme one way, they still run lots of other stuff (going to your sub packages point).


Also to your point, has anyone been seeing some simple slant patterns? If you run it right, guys should be able to occasionally pick up extremely easy 5 yards, either to get a first down OR turn 1st and 10 into 2nd and 5.
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Martha Careful
a year ago

...That being said, I'm not sure this OL can do well in any scheme, just not talented enough.
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Yes, I believe MLF wants to run a TE/FB system like Shanahan, but he's never had the TE/FB to do it and therefore has gone with more 3 WRs.

Originally Posted by: beast 

1. Agreed....this line has been overrated for years. And people thought we could get a #2 or #3 for Nijman?!?! We couldn't get a bad of dirty jocks for him!!

I think we might be experiencing a bit of the Peter Principle with Stenovich. He was a very good OL coach. OC, not so much.

2 We drafted the wrong Tight Ends. Musgrave blocking stinks and Kraft rarely sees the field so he must stink in practice. The DeGuara experiment seems to be over(and where is Van Ness btw) We should have drafted Mayer from ND



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beast
a year ago

1. Agreed....this line has been overrated for years. And people thought we could get a #2 or #3 for Nijman?!?! We couldn't get a bad of dirty jocks for him!!

I think we might be experiencing a bit of the Peter Principle with Stenovich. He was a very good OL coach. OC, not so much.

2 We drafted the wrong Tight Ends. Musgrave blocking stinks and Kraft rarely sees the field so he must stink in practice. The DeGuara experiment seems to be over(and where is Van Ness btw) We should have drafted Mayer from ND

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


And there have been more successful OL picked after our OL picks.

TEs usually take at least 3 years to develop, and TEs are usually receivers in today's NFL. I know you don't want to accept that, but they're not nessarily looking for blocking as the number one priority.

You should consider Musgrave a WR, or you'll drive yourself crazy.

Kraft is the best blocker and is getting play because of it. He's still bad at it, but he's the best of the group. And they don't teach most TE to block in college, so they have to learn it a couple of years in the pros first.

I fully expect 10 years from now you'll still have a draft crush on Mayer. Though maybe you should start rooting for them to draft TE Bower this next year.

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nerdmann
a year ago

1. Agreed....this line has been overrated for years. And people thought we could get a #2 or #3 for Nijman?!?! We couldn't get a bad of dirty jocks for him!!

I think we might be experiencing a bit of the Peter Principle with Stenovich. He was a very good OL coach. OC, not so much.

2 We drafted the wrong Tight Ends. Musgrave blocking stinks and Kraft rarely sees the field so he must stink in practice. The DeGuara experiment seems to be over(and where is Van Ness btw) We should have drafted Mayer from ND


Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


Oline has some leg injuries right now. They will heal a little every week but we can't put new guys out there, because of the cap situation.

We'll get back to where we were, I hope.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Martha Careful
a year ago

I fully expect 10 years from now you'll still have a draft crush on Mayer. Though maybe you should start rooting for them to draft TE Bower this next year.

Originally Posted by: beast 

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nerdmann
a year ago
Packers lost Bakhtiari, but there's been some leg injuries, especially after the Detroit game. 63 is just a rookie, thrust into competition. Well, second year guy.

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dfosterf
a year ago
They haven't even tried Caleb Jones at right tackle and putting Zach Tom on the inside. Seems worth trying.
nerdmann
a year ago

They haven't even tried Caleb Jones at right tackle and putting Zach Tom on the inside. Seems worth trying.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 


Traded Rasul Douglas.
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