longtimefan
16 years ago

I have never been attracted to the "sign a big name guy" mentality. I would much rather see an improvement in the way the team develops the guys that we draft. It takes longer but it's the best way to build a franchise that can be successful over a long period of time. Hopefully all of the defensive and str/conditioning coaches we hired this offseason can get it done. I think it was the right way to go.

"dhazer" wrote:



Sorry Steve i have to disagree on this one, that was the way to do it back in the 70's and 80's when there wasn't a free agency, that just don't work in this day and age. With free agency you will always be losing players to it no matter what so if we stay with the Ted Thompson plan we will always be rebuilding IMO.

"longtimefan" wrote:



how did NE and Pitt start in the last 8 years or so?

look up NE 1st SB win with Brady look at their players then do the same for Pitt with Big Ben


Up until just last 2 years did NE go after those higher priced f/a

and i do not think Pitt even went after those guys

"dhazer" wrote:




http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=2002Roster 
2001 pats had 29 free agents on their roster
2002 28 free agents


2005 Steelers had 26 players that werent drafted by them

2008 steelers had 34 players not drafted by the Steelers
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2008_roster.htm 

So i guess maybe that won't help your point sorry.



Added links to back up the facts.

"Stevetarded" wrote:


My point was high priced free agents

can't ya read?

and 2008 Steelers had 2 starters not drafted by them
dhazer
16 years ago
sorry lt i count 10 starters for the steelers


but the other people were right that those teams build thru the draft and not free agency.
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dd80forever
16 years ago

I have never been attracted to the "sign a big name guy" mentality. I would much rather see an improvement in the way the team develops the guys that we draft. It takes longer but it's the best way to build a franchise that can be successful over a long period of time. Hopefully all of the defensive and str/conditioning coaches we hired this offseason can get it done. I think it was the right way to go.

"dhazer" wrote:



Sorry Steve i have to disagree on this one, that was the way to do it back in the 70's and 80's when there wasn't a free agency, that just don't work in this day and age. With free agency you will always be losing players to it no matter what so if we stay with the Ted Thompson plan we will always be rebuilding IMO.

"Stevetarded" wrote:



What are you basing this on? Take a look at the Depth chart of the Steelers or Giants. Most of their starters are players that they drafted. A lot of them aren't even high draft picks.

"dhazer" wrote:





2008 Steelers 10 of the 26 starters werent drafted by the Steelers

2007 Giants 17 of the 26 starters werent drafted by the Giants
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/2007_roster.htm 



next?

"Stevetarded" wrote:




Good point but it says a lot more than just what is on the surface.

The bottom line is you can compare the rosters of NE and Pitt vs. GB all day long but in the end it comes back to one thing.........TALENT

Some on here act like they declare the SB winner by how many "drafted guys" you have starting or on the roster or by the amount of cap space. It doesn't matter and those that think it does are looking for a "get out of jail" free card for TT.

I hear......look how many starters we have that were drafted by Ted. Well, when you go 6-10 who in the hell cares.

I hear......look at how many guys he has resigned. Yet, those pieces obviously are not enough or we would have least seen the playoffs last year.


I hear.......We are in good shape cap wise. Ok great, what is the trophy we receive for that?



If Ted's goal or approach is to build from within with young, cheap talent then he obviously has done a lackluster job of talent evaluation.

Talent.....What it all comes down to. Every guy in the league has "potential" but true talent is a whole different thing. Via the draft, FA, or signing street FA's it all comes down to Talent.

Either Ted's to cheap to improve the team via FA or he is a mediocre evaluator of talent. Just because he calls the shots and CHOOSES to field a team made up of primarily his players means nothing if those said players chalk up a 6-10 record.
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longtimefan
16 years ago
packers had 5 players not drafted by them on their starting roster in 07....nfc chanp game

they had 8 non drafted starters in 06....no nfc champ game

2003 they had 6....no nfc champ game

2001 they had 6....no nfc champ game

2002 they had 9....no nfc champ game
longtimefan
16 years ago

sorry lt i count 10 starters for the steelers


but the other people were right that those teams build thru the draft and not free agency.

"dhazer" wrote:



show me 

I count one on offense the Center Jusitn Hartwig,came from Tenn

Then on D James Farrior from Jets


Show me please those 10 starters not drafted by Pitt

I beg you
dd80forever
16 years ago

packers had 5 players not drafted by them on their starting roster in 07....nfc chanp game

they had 8 non drafted starters in 06....no nfc champ game

2003 they had 6....no nfc champ game

2001 they had 6....no nfc champ game

2002 they had 9....no nfc champ game

"longtimefan" wrote:




What is supposed to show? Sorry, I don't understand
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go.pack.go.
16 years ago

I have never been attracted to the "sign a big name guy" mentality. I would much rather see an improvement in the way the team develops the guys that we draft. It takes longer but it's the best way to build a franchise that can be successful over a long period of time. Hopefully all of the defensive and str/conditioning coaches we hired this offseason can get it done. I think it was the right way to go.

"dhazer" wrote:



Sorry Steve i have to disagree on this one, that was the way to do it back in the 70's and 80's when there wasn't a free agency, that just don't work in this day and age. With free agency you will always be losing players to it no matter what so if we stay with the Ted Thompson plan we will always be rebuilding IMO.

"longtimefan" wrote:



how did NE and Pitt start in the last 8 years or so?

look up NE 1st SB win with Brady look at their players then do the same for Pitt with Big Ben


Up until just last 2 years did NE go after those higher priced f/a

and i do not think Pitt even went after those guys

"dhazer" wrote:




http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=2002Roster 
2001 pats had 29 free agents on their roster
2002 28 free agents


2005 Steelers had 26 players that werent drafted by them

2008 steelers had 34 players not drafted by the Steelers
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2008_roster.htm 

So i guess maybe that won't help your point sorry.



Added links to back up the facts.

"Stevetarded" wrote:



Remember when you said all of the FAs Ted Thompson got were somebody that nobody wanted? I'm sure you could say the same for the majority of those FAs.

Do your math that you did there for the Steelers, for the packers (on the roster right now). You will see that we have a LOT of FAs on our team right now.

(Btw, I'm going by the original post's stats).
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dhazer
16 years ago

sorry lt i count 10 starters for the steelers


but the other people were right that those teams build thru the draft and not free agency.

"longtimefan" wrote:



show me 

I count one on offense the Center Jusitn Hartwig,came from Tenn

Then on D James Farrior from Jets


Show me please those 10 starters not drafted by Pitt

I beg you

"dhazer" wrote:




Well i posted the link but here you go:

Willie Parker
Justin Hartwig
Darnell Stapleton
Travis Kirscke
James Farrior
James Harrison
Ryan Clark
Jeff Reed
Mitch Berger
Gary Russell

hope that helps you.
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longtimefan
16 years ago

packers had 5 players not drafted by them on their starting roster in 07....nfc chanp game

they had 8 non drafted starters in 06....no nfc champ game

2003 they had 6....no nfc champ game

2001 they had 6....no nfc champ game

2002 they had 9....no nfc champ game

"dd80forever" wrote:




What is supposed to show? Sorry, I don't understand

"longtimefan" wrote:




Who was GM of those teams?

They guy fans like you say did a better job
dhazer
16 years ago
go.pack I see where your coming from but the major difference is the ones in Zero's post is for an off season the ones we are pointing out were on the super bowl rosters.
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