buckeyepackfan
6 years ago
Not sure how you penalize Nelson and Cobb because Hundley couldn't get on t he same page as them.

I think you all might want to look what's behind Nelson, Adams and Cobb.
Lot of potential but not much experience.

I also know(and they do to) that the money being spent on the wr position in 2018 is too much.

I look for extensions for both, turning what's owed in 2018 into a signing bonus then spreading that out over the extension and base salaries around 1-2 mil.

Gutekunst and Ball don't want go get off to a bad start, it may snowball into something really bad!
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
6 years ago

Of Nelson's 53 receptions 38 were first downs. That's 71.7%. 10th best for WRs with 50 or more receptions.

Adams of course had more receptions at 74 but he was 60.8%.
Cobb 66-29-43.9%.

As I said Nelson isn't a speed receiver but he moves the chains nearly every time he catches the ball. I guess that means he does get beyond the sticks.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Nelson averaged 2 YAC. Cobb was more than three times that. But I was just going by the eye test. Nelson is on fumes.
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
6 years ago

Nelson averaged 2 YAC. Cobb was more than three times that. But I was just going by the eye test. Nelson is on fumes.

Originally Posted by: TedThompsonsShades 



I didn't say he ran for 30 yards after catching the ball. He got past the line to gain and then caught the ball. That's all. He was one of the best in the league.

Never mind. It really doesn't matter.
UserPostedImage
buckeyepackfan
6 years ago
All I know is Jordy was leading the league in TD's after 5 games.

Anybody can cherry pick stats and find something bad about every receiver in the league.
Jordy is every agents worst nightmare.
He already said there was no way he could spend all the money after signing his last contract.
He also said he is open for discussion on redoing the contract.
I won't even get into the value of Jordy as a veteran leader.
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
blueleopard
6 years ago
Jordy said he's opening to restructuring his deal, and at this point, he absolutely has to.

Cobb is the more valuable player. Look no further than the game against Carolina. He was one of very few that consistently got open.

Allen Robinson and Josh Gordon are easily worth the money that Jordy is currently making. He led the league in touchdowns but you can't forget a lot of the coverage was also being put on the other receivers + Marty B, who as useless as he was still had a bunch of mismatches.
Danreb Victorio A Believer of Greg Jennings
beast
6 years ago

Cobb is the more valuable player. Look no further than the game against Carolina. He was one of very few that consistently got open.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 


One game with a horrible backup QB, makes Cobb more valuable? NO! Hundley only throws short, so of course the WR that runs short routes appears to be open more than the guy that Hundley never even freaking looks at... just because Hundley can't find Nelson open, doesn't mean Nelson didn't get open...

Also you gave a single game, try the entire 2015 year, with no Nelson, there was no deep threat and teams just sat on the underneath routes all year...which lead to Rodgers worst QB rating since 2006. This offense needs someone on the outside to be a potential deep threat, Nelson is slowing down, but with Rodgers throwing it in 2016, Nelson got back on track after a slow start, shaking off the rust... where Cobb has just been average over the last 3 years (and his contract is larger than Nelson)


UserPostedImage
Rockmolder
6 years ago

Of Nelson's 53 receptions 38 were first downs. That's 71.7%. 10th best for WRs with 50 or more receptions.

Adams of course had more receptions at 74 but he was 60.8%.
Cobb 66-29-43.9%.

As I said Nelson isn't a speed receiver but he moves the chains nearly every time he catches the ball. I guess that means he does get beyond the sticks.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



That's actually pretty impressive. I hadn't seen that stat. I still don't think he's worth keeping, with his physical attributes clearly deteriorating, but that does some how saviness and awareness on the field.
steveishere
6 years ago
Jordy just doesn't have the legs any more. He slides after almost every single catch and goes down really easy on every tackle attempt. He looks like he's got way less juice than James Jones did in 2015 and everyone was fine with moving on from him. Jordy as a slot WR is fine but he's doesn't have what we need out of a perimiter WR if we want the offense to improve and you can't pay 2 slot WRs over 20m
Rockmolder
6 years ago

All I know is Jordy was leading the league in TD's after 5 games.

Anybody can cherry pick stats and find something bad about every receiver in the league.
Jordy is every agents worst nightmare.
He already said there was no way he could spend all the money after signing his last contract.
He also said he is open for discussion on redoing the contract.
I won't even get into the value of Jordy as a veteran leader.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Talking about cherry picking stats... Leading the league in TDs isn't a very good benchmark for skill. James Jones would've been the best receiver in 2012. Next to that, 5 games is an awfully small sample size.

Jordy is declining. It's obvious on tape as well as in his stats. That doesn't mean he's not worth anything. I can see why you'd want to keep him around based on the connection he has with Rodgers, his veteran savviness, his veteran leadership etc.

In the end, though, you only have a limited amount of funds. He's not worth his current pricetag. You can restructure, but you'll be stuck with a three year deal for a player who will only get worse from here on out.

I'm also quite afraid it'd impact our entire offense. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but Nelson isn't a slot receiver. He has the frame and skillset of an outside guy. You have to place him outside.

Davante mans the other position on the outside. There's no question there. Davante isn't amazingly fast either, though. Just like Nelson, he can run routes and place his body very well. That means you have no one to stretch the field on either side, with Nelson not getting any seperation anymore. Having Richard Rodgers as your tight end doesn't help that situation either. You need someone who's speed and explosiveness the defense will respect. We had that in Greg Jennings to start Rodgers' career and in Nelson in his prime the last few years. Allowing defenses to creep up and blitz will make your life rather hard in the pass and run game.

Now you can't predict or say that Watkins would blow our offense wide open, but a guy like that at a $1-2 million contract against Nelson on a $12.5 million contract... I'd gladly take that chance.
Rockmolder
6 years ago



Originally Posted by: beast 




I'm not quite sure what play that screenshot is from, but just look at the situation, I'm guessing that has more to do with a blown coverage and Hundley's lack of vision than Nelson's physical abilities to run away from a defender.

Just an assumption, though. I'd gladly be corrected if wrong.
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    Zero2Cool (35m) : He probably plays DB.
    Zero2Cool (35m) : I don't even know who that Don is
    packerfanoutwest (39m) : What position does Lemon play ?
    dfosterf (1h) : I read this am that Don Lemon quit x, so there's that
    Zero2Cool (23h) : Seems some are flocking to BlueSky and leaving Tweeter. I wonder if BlueSky allows embeded lists
    beast (12-Nov) : He's a review guy
    Zero2Cool (12-Nov) : Jordy Nelson is still in the NFL.
    Zero2Cool (11-Nov) : Ok, will do.
    wpr (11-Nov) : Kevin, donate it to a local food pantry or whatever she wants to do with it. Thanks
    wpr (11-Nov) : Kevin,
    Zero2Cool (11-Nov) : Wayne, got your girl scout order.
    dfosterf (11-Nov) : I believe Zero was being sarcastic
    dfosterf (11-Nov) : Due to that rookie kicker Jake Bates that Zero said "he didn't want anyway". 58 yarder to tie the game, 52 yarder to win it. In fairness,
    Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : Lions escape with a win
    Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : and now Goff looking better
    Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : Goff with ANOTHER INT
    Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : and now Stroud throwing INTs
    Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : Goff having an ATROCIOUS game
    wpr (11-Nov) : Happy birthday Corps. Ever faithful. Thanks dfosterf.
    Mucky Tundra (10-Nov) : stiff armed by Baker Mayfield for about 5-7 yards and still managed to get a pass off
    Mucky Tundra (10-Nov) : Nick Bosa
    wpr (8-Nov) : Jets are Packers (L)East
    Zero2Cool (8-Nov) : Jets released K Riley Patterson and signed K Anders Carlson to the practice squad.
    wpr (8-Nov) : Thanks guys
    Mucky Tundra (7-Nov) : Happy Birthday wpr!
    Zero2Cool (7-Nov) : Anders Carlson ... released by 49ers
    dfosterf (7-Nov) : Happy Birthday!😊😊😊
    wpr (7-Nov) : Thanks Kevin.
    Zero2Cool (7-Nov) : Happy Birthday, Wayne! 🎉🎂🥳
    beast (7-Nov) : Edge Rushers is the same... it's not the 4-3 vs 3-4 change, it's the Hafley's version of the 4-3... as all 32 teams are actually 4-2
    Zero2Cool (6-Nov) : OLB to DE and player requests trade. Yet folks say they are same.
    beast (5-Nov) : In other news, the Green Bay Packers have signed Zero2Cool to update their website 😋 jk
    beast (5-Nov) : Might just re-sign the kicker we got
    beast (5-Nov) : Are there any kickers worth drafting next year?
    Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Preston Smith for Malik Willis
    Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Getting a 7th rounder from the Stillers
    Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : At least we get 7th round pick now!! HELLO NEW KICKER
    Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Steelers getting a premier lockdown corner!
    Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Packers are trading edge rusher Preston Smith to the Pittsburgh Steelers, per sources.
    Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Preston Smith traded to the Steelers!!!!
    Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : CB Marshon Lattimore to Commanders
    Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Bears are sending RB Khalil Herbert to the Bengals, per sources.
    Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : ZaDarius Smith continues his "north" tour.
    Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Let the Chiefs trade a 5th for him
    Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Nearing 30, large contract, nope.
    Martha Careful (5-Nov) : any interest in Marshon Lattimore?
    Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : What does NFL do if they're over cap?
    Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : They've been able to constantly push it out through extensions, void years etc but they're in the hole by 72 million next year I believe
    hardrocker950 (4-Nov) : Seems the Saints are always in cap hell
    Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : Saints HC job is not an envious one; gonna be in cap hell for 3 years
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2024 Packers Schedule
    Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
    Eagles
    Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
    COLTS
    Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
    Titans
    Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
    Rams
    Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
    CARDINALS
    Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
    TEXANS
    Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Jaguars
    Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
    Bears
    Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
    49ERS
    Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
    DOLPHINS
    Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
    Seahawks
    Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
    SAINTS
    Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
    Vikings
    Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
    BEARS
    Recent Topics
    18h / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

    18h / Green Bay Packers Talk / civic

    13-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    12-Nov / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

    11-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    11-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

    9-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / joepacker

    8-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

    6-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    6-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    5-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    5-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    5-Nov / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

    5-Nov / GameDay Threads / Cheesey

    5-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.