PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

We don't even know what the team will look like next year at this point. They could load up on defense and end up with a top 10 unit for all we know. This team without Cobb but with a top 10 defense most certainly has a legit shot at a Superbowl. We don't know what Adams is going to be next year, he certainly looked as good as any of our other WRs did as rookies. Like I said your opinion does not = fact.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



If you want fact. WTF are you doing on a discussion board?
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steveishere
10 years ago

If you want fact. WTF are you doing on a discussion board?

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I want discussion. When people roll up spouting their opinions as absolute facts that does not create a good discussion, it's simply irritating and not necessary. If it hurts your ego that much to just let your opinion be what it is then maybe you are the one who shouldn't be here.
PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

I want discussion. When people roll up spouting their opinions as absolute facts that does not create a good discussion, it's simply irritating and not necessary. If it hurts your ego that much to just let your opinion be what it is then maybe you are the one who shouldn't be here.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Based on this reply

Except that isn't a fact it's just your opinion which is no more valid than anyone elses so quit acting like it is.



I would appear you don't want to have discussion. Nowhere did I portray that what I stated was anything other than my opinion. If you disagreed, and wanting a discussion, you would have replied with something of substance.

It is pretty much accepted, that what people post are opinion. Do we have to start every post with In My Opinion now?
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steveishere
10 years ago

Based on this reply



I would appear you don't want to have discussion. Nowhere did I portray that what I stated was anything other than my opinion. If you disagreed, and wanting a discussion, you would have replied with something of substance.

It is pretty much accepted, that what people post are opinion. Do we have to start every post with In My Opinion now?

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I did reply with substance lol all I got in reply was a "WTF are you doing here" for daring to challenge the fact that the team has no chance to win a superbowl without Cobb.
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10 years ago

At 9 m a year I vote we let him walk, he is most effective used in the slot(without looking through the numbers, that is my feel from watching the games), and noone should pay 9m a year for a slot receiver.

Another reason to let him walk is that the money is better used elsewhere on the roster, WR talent can replineshed through the draft even though I bet the packers think it is a year too early to trust Davante Adams enough. Aaron, Jordy and Lacy allows us to say no thank you to 9m a year, and spend the money on the keeping the O-line together and prepare the cap for other upcoming free agents.
If Aaron can't keep the Offense competetive with Jordy, Lacy and a decent O-line, then he is no MVP and not worth the money he is getting.

Originally Posted by: lolleren 



Give him 9 a year and in two years of the four year deal it will look like a bargain.

That is Ted's M.O.
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TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago
This is one of those cases where I wouldn't mind a longer term deal as Cobb is so young. How about $9M per over a 6 year deal?

I agree with Nerd's comment that in a few years this could look like a bargain contract.

Would you consider using the franchise tag on him and see how year 2 pans out for Adams, Abby and Janis?
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10 years ago

This is one of those cases where I wouldn't mind a longer term deal as Cobb is so young. How about $9M per over a 6 year deal?

I agree with Nerd's comment that in a few years this could look like a bargain contract.

Would you consider using the franchise tag on him and see how year 2 pans out for Adams, Abby and Janis?

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



If I'm Cobb I don't go more than 5 years. The last year of a 6 year deal could put him at risk of being a cap casualty (those last years are ususaly to hang a big salary number up to make the contract look bigger than it really is) If he goes for 5 I think he is still under that magic age of 30 when he comes up again.

As far as franchising him no way. If it looks like its going to come to that throw another 4 million on the deal and sign him. It will cost almost that much anyway.

I just love how so many people (not you based on this post) think that you can plug any old guy into his spot and come away with a stud just because A) Ted drafted him and 😎 Aaron is throwing to him.

1) This team should be pretty good next year.
2) It will be better with Cobb than without him.
3) He is not looking to break the bank.
4) The Packers have the cap space to sign him without risking losing everyone else (ie. could still resign Bulaga)
5) He is young.
6) He is a great talent.

Put these together and it tells me signing him for 9 million a year is a no brainer. I'd even be willing to go a bit more even if he "isn't worth it"

cheeseheads123
10 years ago
He is worth every penny at 9 million a year. It looks like the packers will be facing Seattle quite often for all the marbles. Cobb is needed in these situations. The pats showed that if you attack the middle you can move the ball against that defense.
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TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago

He is worth every penny at 9 million a year. It looks like the packers will be facing Seattle quite often for all the marbles. Cobb is needed in these situations. The pats showed that if you attack the middle you can move the ball against that defense.

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



Which is why I think we should also consider a draft or FA improvement of our TE situation. R. Rodgers has shown himself to be pretty decent, but our TE situation was not keeping the other teams defensive coordinators up at night I can assure you.

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10 years ago
At $9M PAY THE MAN, Ted!
Mucky Tundra
10 years ago
Considering his age and the way he's used in the offense, $9 million will seem like a bargain in a few years. He'll get a contract that looks hefty but will be cap friendly with how it's structured+if signed to a four or five year deal will probably see another cap increase by that point.
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10 years ago
Cobb is a known talent that AR knows. It can take years for that kind of ability between a QB and WR.
Give Cobb the 9mill.
He's worth it and we need him.
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10 years ago

Which is why I think we should also consider a draft or FA improvement of our TE situation. R. Rodgers has shown himself to be pretty decent, but our TE situation was not keeping the other teams defensive coordinators up at night I can assure you.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



That's on the agenda, but not before ILB.
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buckeyepackfan
10 years ago

That's on the agenda, but not before ILB.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



You Must Have an inside source to be so sure of what Ted is going to do.

Damn. Takes all the suspense out of off season.

Nt,ILB, and TE are probably the 3 positions high on The Packers list.
Gonna have to wait another couple of weeks before we all can see what direction they are going.
We all know Ted likes to throw out a whole lot of misinformation this time of the year.
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TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago

That's on the agenda, but not before ILB.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



If the talent is not there I can see Ted going in many different ways with the 1st round pick based on who is left on the board. Obviously we all want an ILB because our play at that position has been dreadful, but what to do with a Maxx Williams on the board, a CB or OT who drops that we didn't think we had a chance at.



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10 years ago

If the talent is not there I can see Ted going in many different ways with the 1st round pick based on who is left on the board. Obviously we all want an ILB because our play at that position has been dreadful, but what to do with a Maxx Williams on the board, a CB or OT who drops that we didn't think we had a chance at.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



Cobb and AR were drafted when we didn't "need" them (at least Cobb as a WR).

If position of need is damn close to grade/value when you pick, then go for need. I think the Packers did that with HaHa. Otherwise, take the best damn player you can get your hands on.
texaspackerbacker
10 years ago
Somehow my "Applaud" function ain't working; Otherwise I'd have applauded several posts in here.

I too think the asking price is fairly reasonable. When Jennings was asking the equivalent of this or more, and when James Jones wanted a mid to high WR range salary, I was with the crowd who said no, let 'em walk. Cobb, however, has more uniqueness, not to mention being younger. A year or so ago, I was not in favor of keeping Cobb long term, as he seemed fragile. But since then, he looks stronger - at least seems to have bulked up - without losing any of his speed and elusiveness.

What Ted needs to do - not just with Cobb, but in a lot of cases - is to make more use of creative financing (see the Z2C post in this thread) - back loading things. In the case of Cobb, though, I would not be afraid to go more than just 5 or 6 years, as barring serious injury, he should still be in his prime at age 29 or 30 - maybe something like 8 years for $72 million with a $12 million bonus, then $3 million the first year and $5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 12 million. That would be $15 million guaranteed, and with not too bad a cap hit. If he's still going strong at 32, restructure him for the last year or two and beyond; If not, cut him.
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10 years ago
Give it to him.
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10 years ago
I just can't see them letting a talent like Cobb leave. They let James Jones and Jennings walk, but how many decent WR's can you let go before your well finally runs dry? And who knows how many good seasons Rodgers has left? They let a great opportunity slip by this past season, and pretty soon those chances will also run out.
Right now, I don't see another HOF QB waiting in the wings to replace Rodgers when he finally calls it quits.
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I just can't see them letting a talent like Cobb leave. They let James Jones and Jennings walk, but how many decent WR's can you let go before your well finally runs dry? And who knows how many good seasons Rodgers has left? They let a great opportunity slip by this past season, and pretty soon those chances will also run out.
Right now, I don't see another HOF QB waiting in the wings to replace Rodgers when he finally calls it quits.
The time is NOW. Get all your ducks in a row, and grab the brass ring.
STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT!!!
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Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



They let Jennings and Jones go when they were 30. Jennings also went for the big payday.
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