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MintBaconDrivel
9 years ago

The price tag for soon-to-be free agent wide receiver Randall Cobb is $9 million a year. That's the word from Rob Demovsky of ESPN, who reports that Cobb is seeking an average of about $9 million a year, perhaps with a deal close to the four-year, $39 million contract extension the Packers gave teammate Jordy...

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PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago
Unfortunately we are not in position to say no. Cobb IMO is not worth as much as Jordy.
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musccy
9 years ago
9 mil seems fair to me relative to others in the NFL. It puts him right around Victor Cruz, Andre Johnson, and Antonio Brown. http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/  

I don't know what's common to pay a WR crew, but at 9 for Cobb, Jordy's ~10, and then roughly 2.5 with Abby, Janis, and Adams that seems the high end of reasonable. Megatron alone makes 16 mil.

He's 24, reliable, good character, and this is a D&D franchise. I don't see how they let him walk for what's a relatively fair price.

lolleren
9 years ago
At 9 m a year I vote we let him walk, he is most effective used in the slot(without looking through the numbers, that is my feel from watching the games), and noone should pay 9m a year for a slot receiver.

Another reason to let him walk is that the money is better used elsewhere on the roster, WR talent can replineshed through the draft even though I bet the packers think it is a year too early to trust Davante Adams enough. Aaron, Jordy and Lacy allows us to say no thank you to 9m a year, and spend the money on the keeping the O-line together and prepare the cap for other upcoming free agents.
If Aaron can't keep the Offense competetive with Jordy, Lacy and a decent O-line, then he is no MVP and not worth the money he is getting.


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musccy
9 years ago

At 9 m a year I vote we let him walk, he is most effective used in the slot(without looking through the numbers, that is my feel from watching the games), and noone should pay 9m a year for a slot receiver.

Another reason to let him walk is that the money is better used elsewhere on the roster, WR talent can replineshed through the draft even though I bet the packers think it is a year too early to trust Davante Adams enough. Aaron, Jordy and Lacy allows us to say no thank you to 9m a year, and spend the money on the keeping the O-line together and prepare the cap for other upcoming free agents.
If Aaron can't keep the Offense competetive with Jordy, Lacy and a decent O-line, then he is no MVP and not worth the money he is getting.

Originally Posted by: lolleren 



Jordy is also almost 30, Cobb is 24 y.o. If that were flipped even with identical production, I'd agree with you. I get what you're saying about slot wrs and wrs being replaceable, but Cobb is used in a lot more ways in the backfield, ST, etc.

I don't want to lose Bulaga, but I trust the depth behind him (Tretter, Barclay (even post knee0) more than I trust Janis, Abby, Adams, and Boykin??

PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago

At 9 m a year I vote we let him walk, he is most effective used in the slot(without looking through the numbers, that is my feel from watching the games), and noone should pay 9m a year for a slot receiver.

Another reason to let him walk is that the money is better used elsewhere on the roster, WR talent can replineshed through the draft even though I bet the packers think it is a year too early to trust Davante Adams enough. Aaron, Jordy and Lacy allows us to say no thank you to 9m a year, and spend the money on the keeping the O-line together and prepare the cap for other upcoming free agents.
If Aaron can't keep the Offense competetive with Jordy, Lacy and a decent O-line, then he is no MVP and not worth the money he is getting.

Originally Posted by: lolleren 



WR talent is so easy to be replenished? If that was the case, shouldn't we have as deep a WR group as we had before losing Driver, Jennings and Jones.

If the team wants to be competitive, it needs more than one reliable WR. We were lucky last year that neither Jordy or Cobb go hurt. I wouldn't expect that to be the case for another year. We need depth to have a chance at a SB.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

At 9 m a year I vote we let him walk, he is most effective used in the slot(without looking through the numbers, that is my feel from watching the games), and noone should pay 9m a year for a slot receiver.

Originally Posted by: lolleren 



What if the contract is set up like this four year $36 million contract.

$10 million signing bonus which is spread out against the cap via contract duration

2015: $4 million
2016: $6 million
2017: $8 million
2018: $8 million
2019: Free Agent


One thing to remember is that the "per year" is a fluffed up number. You'll notice this is an average of $9 million per year but the cap hit is substantially less.


I would expect a contract like this be to be signed sooner than later for Randall Cobb. Unless someone comes in paying him $50 million over four years.
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yooperfan
9 years ago
Pay the man!
That's a more reasonable deal than I expected.
lolleren
9 years ago

WR talent is so easy to be replenished? If that was the case, shouldn't we have as deep a WR group as we had before losing Driver, Jennings and Jones.

If the team wants to be competitive, it needs more than one reliable WR. We were lucky last year that neither Jordy or Cobb go hurt. I wouldn't expect that to be the case for another year. We need depth to have a chance at a SB.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I am not saying it is "easy" the point i was trying to make was 3-fold:

1. Aaron should be able to compensate for lack of top end slot receiver
2. Eddie lacy and a decent O-line helps the Offense more than a slot receiver
3. Packers have a true WR1, which makes the need for paying top dollars for a slot receiver a luxury, that can be bypassed for other needs.

I agree we need depth, but depth doesnt mean need to pay close to WR1 money for a slot receiver. It can be found in lesser FA or the drafts. That is what it means to have a franchise QB and a running game.

What if the contract is set up like this four year $36 million contract.

$10 million signing bonus which is spread out against the cap via contract duration

2015: $4 million
2016: $6 million
2017: $8 million
2018: $8 million
2019: Free Agent


One thing to remember is that the "per year" is a fluffed up number. You'll notice this is an average of $9 million per year but the cap hit is substantially less.


I would expect a contract like this be to be signed sooner than later for Randall Cobb. Unless someone comes in paying him $50 million over four years.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



You are right that a contract can be structured in many ways, and sometimes we get caught up in the numbers too much, since they often do not tell the full picture.
If a 10m signing bonus and a structure like the above iswhat he is looking for in a 4 year deal I wouldnt be rejecting the idea right away, but I dont believe that is the pay day he is looking for in terms of guaranteed compensation.
However when I read 9m a year for a slot receiver, even one with as many facets as Cobb, I would think twice about signing him.
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PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago

I am not saying it is "easy" the point i was trying to make was 3-fold:

1. Aaron should be able to compensate for lack of top end slot receiver
2. Eddie lacy and a decent O-line helps the Offense more than a slot receiver
3. Packers have a true WR1, which makes the need for paying top dollars for a slot receiver a luxury, that can be bypassed for other needs.

I agree we need depth, but depth doesnt mean need to pay close to WR1 money for a slot receiver. It can be found in lesser FA or the drafts. That is what it means to have a franchise QB and a running game.

Originally Posted by: lolleren 



Even the best QB need talented receivers to be successful. Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Farve, Brees are all successful because they had WR talent around them. This team will NOT win the SB next year if any of Adams, Abby, Boykin are the #2 receiver next year.
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