steveishere
10 years ago

WR talent is so easy to be replenished? If that was the case, shouldn't we have as deep a WR group as we had before losing Driver, Jennings and Jones.

If the team wants to be competitive, it needs more than one reliable WR. We were lucky last year that neither Jordy or Cobb go hurt. I wouldn't expect that to be the case for another year. We need depth to have a chance at a SB.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



No talent is easy to replenish but if a player wants more than you can afford you move on that's how it works. I'm not saying Cobb isn't worth 9m or I would be upset if they signed him to that but you cannot just go with the idea that you need a player no matter what it takes. That's stupid because what if Cobb wanted 13m/year? I guess we should give him that since our WRs wont be as good? Guess what, if you give out too many big contracts to a few players a lot of things wont be as good.

I would bet they still have a top offense without Cobb. Obviously better with him but it's not as simple of a decision as yes/no.
Yerko
10 years ago

At 9 m a year I vote we let him walk, he is most effective used in the slot(without looking through the numbers, that is my feel from watching the games), and noone should pay 9m a year for a slot receiver.

Another reason to let him walk is that the money is better used elsewhere on the roster, WR talent can replineshed through the draft even though I bet the packers think it is a year too early to trust Davante Adams enough. Aaron, Jordy and Lacy allows us to say no thank you to 9m a year, and spend the money on the keeping the O-line together and prepare the cap for other upcoming free agents.
If Aaron can't keep the Offense competetive with Jordy, Lacy and a decent O-line, then he is no MVP and not worth the money he is getting.

Originally Posted by: lolleren 



I believe you are not giving Cobb the credit he deserves. He is not just a slot receiver. He is one of the more versatile players in the league that can play multiple positions. Packers are able to line him up in various positions to create incredible mismatches for the defense...for himself and for other players. He is also a dependable receiver. He catches pretty much everything thrown to him and the YAC is ridiculous. You are not going to come close to replacing a player like Cobb through FA or with anyone below him on the roster.

Also, $9 million is an affordable price that would still allow the Packers to sign Bulaga to a contract as well.

Don't the Packers currently have close to $24 million in cap room? For shits n giggles, lets say the Packers release one or both of Brad Jones and AJ Hawk. That frees up another $3-7 million giving the Packers $24-$31 million in cap space.
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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

No talent is easy to replenish but if a player wants more than you can afford you move on that's how it works. I'm not saying Cobb isn't worth 9m or I would be upset if they signed him to that but you cannot just go with the idea that you need a player no matter what it takes. That's stupid because what if Cobb wanted 13m/year? I guess we should give him that since our WRs wont be as good? Guess what, if you give out too many big contracts to a few players a lot of things wont be as good.

I would bet they still have a top offense without Cobb. Obviously better with him but it's not as simple of a decision as yes/no.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



But the team can afford the 9, heck they could afford 13 if they wanted. IT is all a choice though. Is a couple million a year saved worth not having a chance at the SB for another year?

If we had kept Jones, not only do I think we would have at least been in the SB. The team would be in a better position to bargain. If they don't sign Cobb, they are going to have to bring in a FA to replace him unless they want to admit to punting the season away.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
steveishere
10 years ago

But the team can afford the 9, heck they could afford 13 if they wanted. IT is all a choice though. Is a couple million a year saved worth not having a chance at the SB for another year?

If we had kept Jones, not only do I think we would have at least been in the SB. The team would be in a better position to bargain. If they don't sign Cobb, they are going to have to bring in a FA to replace him unless they want to admit to punting the season away.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Except that isn't a fact it's just your opinion which is no more valid than anyone elses so quit acting like it is.
PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

Except that isn't a fact it's just your opinion which is no more valid than anyone elses so quit acting like it is.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



You can't honestly think this team has a chance at the SB, if we go into the season with Adams as our #2. Defenses could bracket and take Jordy out of the game.

It is my opinion also that it will be warmer than 50 degrees on August 15th.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
sschind
10 years ago

WR talent is so easy to be replenished? If that was the case, shouldn't we have as deep a WR group as we had before losing Driver, Jennings and Jones.

If the team wants to be competitive, it needs more than one reliable WR. We were lucky last year that neither Jordy or Cobb go hurt. I wouldn't expect that to be the case for another year. We need depth to have a chance at a SB.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Exactly. Our WR talent has been going down ever since Driver retired and Jennings left. Without Cobb we have ONE proven talent.

Oh, I guess that is OK though because whoever catches passes from Rodgers is guaranteed to be a stud.

sschind
10 years ago

What if the contract is set up like this four year $36 million contract.

$10 million signing bonus which is spread out against the cap via contract duration

2015: $4 million
2016: $6 million
2017: $8 million
2018: $8 million
2019: Free Agent


One thing to remember is that the "per year" is a fluffed up number. You'll notice this is an average of $9 million per year but the cap hit is substantially less.


I would expect a contract like this be to be signed sooner than later for Randall Cobb. Unless someone comes in paying him $50 million over four years.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I think it will take more than 10 million guaranteed but the numbers seem close. Take a million off each season (or 3/4 million and add it to the bonus and I think you have it.

sschind
10 years ago

No talent is easy to replenish but if a player wants more than you can afford you move on that's how it works. I'm not saying Cobb isn't worth 9m or I would be upset if they signed him to that but you cannot just go with the idea that you need a player no matter what it takes. That's stupid because what if Cobb wanted 13m/year? I guess we should give him that since our WRs wont be as good? Guess what, if you give out too many big contracts to a few players a lot of things wont be as good.

I would bet they still have a top offense without Cobb. Obviously better with him but it's not as simple of a decision as yes/no.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



the thing is the Packers can afford the 9 million. To me 9 million is a no brainer. In three years guys like Cobb will be making 3 million more than Jordy so to use that as a comparison is kind of stupid IMO. (you didn't mention Nelson but others have said Cobb isn't worth what Nelson got, which I don't agree with.)

sschind
10 years ago

You can't honestly think this team has a chance at the SB, if we go into the season with Adams as our #2. Defenses could bracket and take Jordy out of the game.

It is my opinion also that it will be warmer than 50 degrees on August 15th.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



not in Antarctica it wont be.

steveishere
10 years ago

You can't honestly think this team has a chance at the SB, if we go into the season with Adams as our #2. Defenses could bracket and take Jordy out of the game.

It is my opinion also that it will be warmer than 50 degrees on August 15th.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



We don't even know what the team will look like next year at this point. They could load up on defense and end up with a top 10 unit for all we know. This team without Cobb but with a top 10 defense most certainly has a legit shot at a Superbowl. We don't know what Adams is going to be next year, he certainly looked as good as any of our other WRs did as rookies. Like I said your opinion does not = fact.
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