TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago

Shields gets his hand in enough where he keeps Dez from immediately controlling the ball. Having control of the ball and going to the ground was all happening at the same time. There was never a point of having two feet and control to establish possession and than a separate move with the ball.

There are catches all the time in the game, that are not completed passes. It takes a catch plus fulfilling the rest of the criteria of a completed pass.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I think the play was a catch, it is just that they need a rule to remove the subjectivity like as musccy says the force out rule. Competition committee will probably remove it as Jerry is an influential owner, but I think adding uncertainty to the game and more pressure on the refs is going in the wrong direction. I still find it ironic that the Cowboys are bitching about the Calvin Johnson rule after last week.

uffda udfa
10 years ago
Adams was out of sync with Rodgers in the 1st half. I thought it was going to be just another game of him not understanding what the heck he's supposed to be doing as if he literally has nowhere near the same feel as a Jordy or Randall do for the game. It's not just that he's a rook...just doesn't seem to have the same intangibles as Jordy and RC18.

The move he made on the TD run was special. The juke was an ankle breaker like a killer crossover in basketball. A super sweet play on a huge stage.

I'm sure we're going to have to live with that from him...some dreadful plays and some big ones.

He is SLOW. I totally agree with that...speed is not his calling card. Looks faster than James Jones but not quite as strong. He is good with it after the catch...would like to see him make more people miss. Seattle would be a nice game to figure that out as Cobb and Nelson are going to be neutralized so it's guys like Adams, Lacy, Rodgers, Quarless (whom I thought played his best game as a Packer) turn to stand and be counted. Man, how I'd love to see Janis injected into this O at Seattle. Boykin is just wasting a roster spot.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

We did not get one call. The ruling on the field was in favor of Dallas. As were most of the calls, such as the bogus PI on Tramon and the worst spot of the football in 40 years. The only reason the Packers benefitted from this call was because Mike McCarthy challenged it. It was his last available challenge. Granted it was with ~4 min left and there was only 2 min of game to worry about.

Packers had 10 accepted penalties for 87 yards. Dallas had..... 5 penalties for 35 yards.

Packers did not get one call.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



I called CALVIN JOHNSON RULE when it happened, but NO WAY I thought they were gonna reverse it for us. LOL. I guess it was just too obvious.
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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

I think the play was a catch, it is just that they need a rule to remove the subjectivity like as musccy says the force out rule. Competition committee will probably remove it as Jerry is an influential owner, but I think adding uncertainty to the game and more pressure on the refs is going in the wrong direction. I still find it ironic that the Cowboys are bitching about the Calvin Johnson rule after last week.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



Problem is, I have yet to hear anybody with an idea on how to change the rule that will actually make the game better. The rule is written to leave about the least amount of judgment to the officials. Only judgment is did the player possess the ball and make a subsequent move or long enough to have been able to make a move. Every option I have heard either adds more judgment or makes more real incompletions completions.

This rule was revisited after the Calvin incident and wasn't changed than either.
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musccy
10 years ago

Problem is, I have yet to hear anybody with an idea on how to change the rule that will actually make the game better. The rule is written to leave about the least amount of judgment to the officials. Only judgment is did the player possess the ball and make a subsequent move or long enough to have been able to make a move. Every option I have heard either adds more judgment or makes more real incompletions completions.

This rule was revisited after the Calvin incident and wasn't changed than either.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I'm not speaking for Kanata, but I never said change the rule. As written, it's not a catch, I acknowledge that. I also understand why the rule is written to remove subjectivity from a major aspect of the game - THE CATCH!

That said, I just don't see the play the same way as you do. Yes, Shields touched the ball, but from that point on, my two eyes see control of the ball, two feet down, no bobbling, no dropping - only contact with the ground causing the ball to come loose. To me, the (justifiable) technicality of the rule was the reason for the incompletion, not him juggling it, or Shields making a play on the ball.
PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

I'm not speaking for Kanata, but I never said change the rule. As written, it's not a catch, I acknowledge that. I also understand why the rule is written to remove subjectivity from a major aspect of the game - THE CATCH!

That said, I just don't see the play the same way as you do. Yes, Shields touched the ball, but from that point on, my two eyes see control of the ball, two feet down, no bobbling, no dropping - only contact with the ground causing the ball to come loose. To me, the (justifiable) technicality of the rule was the reason for the incompletion, not him juggling it, or Shields making a play on the ball.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



I think if Shields doesn't cause Dez to juggle the ball even for that fraction of a second. Control and possession gets established a fraction sooner which then could have made him turning his body and going for the goal line be considered a separate move. But because of that little delay, he doesn't establish control until he is already turning and going down which makes that all part of the process.
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musccy
10 years ago

I think if Shields doesn't cause Dez to juggle the ball even for that fraction of a second. Control and possession gets established a fraction sooner which then could have made him turning his body and going for the goal line be considered a separate move. But because of that little delay, he doesn't establish control until he is already turning and going down which makes that all part of the process.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I agree that Shields delayed him gaining possession/control. I still feel like he did enough after that point. I'm ultimately bickering over an irrelevant point. I'm arguing about what I think "seems" like a catch, not what rules say. IMO, the technicality in the rule caused the incompletion, not Dez "dropping" it or Shields breaking it up.

PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

I agree that Shields delayed him gaining possession/control. I still feel like he did enough after that point. I'm ultimately bickering over an irrelevant point. I'm arguing about what I think "seems" like a catch, not what rules say. IMO, the technicality in the rule caused the incompletion, not Dez "dropping" it or Shields breaking it up.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



What does it for me, is that I can see during slo-mo where he gains control of the ball, and than watching at full speed. There is no separation in acts that would be possession and than a separate move. His is falling, while gaining control and extending the ball out. It is all part of the same motion.
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musccy
10 years ago

What does it for me, is that I can see during slo-mo where he gains control of the ball, and than watching at full speed. There is no separation in acts that would be possession and than a separate move. His is falling, while gaining control and extending the ball out. It is all part of the same motion.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



As soon as Shields is done tipping the ball, I feel he established control of the ball. He rotated, got feet down, and purposefully shifted hands to extend. I just see it differently than you, but ultimately it doesn't matter because it the officials got the call right.
Porforis
10 years ago

We did not get one call. The ruling on the field was in favor of Dallas. As were most of the calls, such as the bogus PI on Tramon and the worst spot of the football in 40 years. The only reason the Packers benefitted from this call was because Mike McCarthy challenged it. It was his last available challenge. Granted it was with ~4 min left and there was only 2 min of game to worry about.

Packers had 10 accepted penalties for 87 yards. Dallas had..... 5 penalties for 35 yards.

Packers did not get one call.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



Apart from the Cobb non-catch that hit the ground that got reviewed and upheld. Looked 100% clean from the front but the second you saw the back angle you could see the nose of the ball hit the ground.
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