Zero2Cool
10 years ago

He ran a 4.56 at the combine and doesn't look much faster than that on the field to me.

But like Dodd said, he's a physical guy who can make catches and has some quickness to him.

Ted never seems to get stuck on the physical specimens at WR, but rather on the football players. Boykin is, indeed, an extreme example of that, but Cobb, Nelson, Jones and, indeed, Davante Adams, didn't show a whole lot at the combine, either.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



I believe 4.56 is faster than that one guy ... Rice of Jerry fame ... and he wasn't great. :)


No, I am NOT saying Davante Adams is Jerry Rice. I'm saying 40 times and speed do not negate greatness. Sterling Sharpe was great, wasn't fast.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

That wasn't a trap, though. He had two hands on the ball going to the ground, had control of it cradled in his left hand going to the ground, and in my opinion, contact with the ground jarred the ball loose.

I get why they reversed the call. As the rule is written, it was the correct call. That said, I don't like the rule, common sense tells me that Dez, Megatron, and Brett Swain in the Super Bowl (slightly different aspect of the rule) all caught the ball.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



The ball can touch the ground, if you have control of it. He didn't have control of it.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

I believe 4.56 is faster than that one guy ... Rice of Jerry fame ... and he wasn't great. :)


No, I am NOT saying Davante Adams is Jerry Rice. I'm saying 40 times and speed do not negate greatness. Sterling Sharpe was great, wasn't fast.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



They said the same thing about Greg Jennings. DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH SPEED TO GET IT DONE ON THE NFL LEVEL. lol
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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

That wasn't a trap, though. He had two hands on the ball going to the ground, had control of it cradled in his left hand going to the ground, and in my opinion, contact with the ground jarred the ball loose.

I get why they reversed the call. As the rule is written, it was the correct call. That said, I don't like the rule, common sense tells me that Dez, Megatron, and Brett Swain in the Super Bowl (slightly different aspect of the rule) all caught the ball.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



OK, how do you change the rule so the Megatron catch or this one becomes a catch while at the same time, not making all the instances of the ball hitting the ground on actual non-catches under the same or similar circumstances also become catches by rule?

Dez was establishing possession while going to the ground, he didn't have possession and than dive for the endzone. I can't think of a way to word the rule that would create better results.

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musccy
10 years ago

OK, how do you change the rule so the Megatron catch or this one becomes a catch while at the same time, not making all the instances of the ball hitting the ground on actual non-catches under the same or similar circumstances also become catches by rule?

Dez was establishing possession while going to the ground, he didn't have possession and than dive for the endzone. I can't think of a way to word the rule that would create better results.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Ignoring definitions in the rules, I don't think a reasonable person can look at that play and say he didn't catch it. Did the ground aid in him gaining possession? Did he lose control prior to the ball hitting the ground? there was time between grasping the ball and going to the ground too. Common sense tells me that was a catch.

The flip side is something you're getting at. How do you minimize subjectivity from defining a catch? It's like the force out rule. There are undeniably situations where a receiver gets hosed, but in most instances it's better than the alternative.

warhawk
10 years ago
Nobody is talking about the bad call on Tramon for PI at the goal line when it was obvious the receivers feet got tangled up. The call basically gift wrapped that td. So how many calls does Dallas need to win the game?

The bottom line is Green Bay and Arod dominated the second half of the game and took it from Dallas. Even had they given the play to Dallas the way GB was moving the ball with 4 minutes left and only needing a FG to win I have little doubt they would have done so.

After the first drive of the second half the Packers were not stopped and that is why Dallas is going home and not because of one stinking play. When you lay your hat there when you had many chances to stop your opponent I don't feel very sorry for ya.
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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

Ignoring definitions in the rules, I don't think a reasonable person can look at that play and say he didn't catch it. Did the ground aid in him gaining possession? Did he lose control prior to the ball hitting the ground? there was time between grasping the ball and going to the ground too. Common sense tells me that was a catch.

The flip side is something you're getting at. How do you minimize subjectivity from defining a catch? It's like the force out rule. There are undeniably situations where a receiver gets hosed, but in most instances it's better than the alternative.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Shields gets his hand in enough where he keeps Dez from immediately controlling the ball. Having control of the ball and going to the ground was all happening at the same time. There was never a point of having two feet and control to establish possession and than a separate move with the ball.

There are catches all the time in the game, that are not completed passes. It takes a catch plus fulfilling the rest of the criteria of a completed pass.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

Nobody is talking about the bad call on Tramon for PI at the goal line when it was obvious the receivers feet got tangled up. The call basically gift wrapped that td. So how many calls does Dallas need to win the game?

The bottom line is Green Bay and Arod dominated the second half of the game and took it from Dallas. Even had they given the play to Dallas the way GB was moving the ball with 4 minutes left and only needing a FG to win I have little doubt they would have done so.

After the first drive of the second half the Packers were not stopped and that is why Dallas is going home and not because of one stinking play. When you lay your hat there when you had many chances to stop your opponent I don't feel very sorry for ya.

Originally Posted by: warhawk 



Calls were going against us all day. Remember that one spot that was two yards off? That was too obvious so they had to take away that free first down. lol

We got ONE CALL.
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QCHuskerFan
10 years ago

Calls were going against us all day. Remember that one spot that was two yards off? That was too obvious so they had to take away that free first down. lol

We got ONE CALL.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



We did not get one call. The ruling on the field was in favor of Dallas. As were most of the calls, such as the bogus PI on Tramon and the worst spot of the football in 40 years. The only reason the Packers benefitted from this call was because MM challenged it. It was his last available challenge. Granted it was with ~4 min left and there was only 2 min of game to worry about.

Packers had 10 accepted penalties for 87 yards. Dallas had..... 5 penalties for 35 yards.

Packers did not get one call.
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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

We did not get one call. The ruling on the field was in favor of Dallas. As were most of the calls, such as the bogus PI on Tramon and the worst spot of the football in 40 years. The only reason the Packers benefitted from this call was because Mike McCarthy challenged it. It was his last available challenge. Granted it was with ~4 min left and there was only 2 min of game to worry about.

Packers had 10 accepted penalties for 87 yards. Dallas had..... 5 penalties for 35 yards.

Packers did not get one call.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



We got two in one. Cobbs catch on the low pass from Rodgers. And the review of the catch that stood.
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