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16 years ago
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minnypacker
16 years ago
I just don't think Nolan's the guy. If he was, why not name him already. I'm guessing Moss or Haslett - Want McDermott.
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We shall see... but the guy can coach either alignment and per the source listed here, isn't fixed solely upon either one.. scheme fit to the personnel of the team.. that is the smart way to coach.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20090106/PKR01/90106162/1058 


Mike Nolan has emerged as the clear front-runner to become the Green Bay Packers next defensive coordinator.

Two NFL sources said Tuesday that coach Mike McCarthy appears likely to bring in Nolan to replace Bob Sanders, whose firing was announced Monday. One source said word at the Cactus Bowl, the all-star game for Division II seniors in Kingsville, Texas, is the move is all but done. Another said there appeared to be at least a 90 percent chance Nolan will join the Packers.

Nolan, who was fired as San Franciscos head coach seven games into this season, has 11 years of experience as a defensive coordinator in the NFL with Baltimore (2002-04), the New York Jets (2000), Washington (1997-99) and the New York Giants (1993-96). As a head coach, Nolan had some problems with players on the offensive side of the ball, but as a defensive coordinator, he has a reputation for being a high-energy, optimistic leader whom players like.

I think hes a good coach, said a scout familiar with Nolan. Sometimes he was a little strong and butted heads with those guys (on San Franciscos offense), but as a smart guy and likable and all that, hes all that.

Nolan, 49, looked like a strong candidate for the job from the start because of his ties to McCarthy. When Nolan became San Franciscos head coach in 2005, he hired McCarthy as offensive coordinator, and the two by all accounts worked well their one season together before McCarthy became the Packers head coach in 2006.

Nolans 11 years as NFL defensive coordinator is a major selling point if McCarthy is reluctant to bring in a first-time defensive coordinator now that his program with the Packers is entering its fourth season. Nolan is a known quantity in the job, whereas another of McCarthys possible candidates, Winston Moss, never has been a defensive coordinator. Moss, who is McCarthys assistant head coach and linebackers coach, was the only defensive position coach McCarthy retained Monday when he fired Sanders and four other defensive assistants Monday. Moss also has interviewed for the St. Louis Rams head-coaching vacancy.

Nolan is one of several respected defensive coordinators available this offseason, along with Gregg Williams, who wasnt retained by Jacksonville because of philosophical differences with coach Jack Del Rio; Romeo Crennel, who was fired as Clevelands coach last week; Jim Haslett, who finished this season as St. Louis interim coach; and Eric Mangini, who was fired as the New York Jets coach last week, though he appears to be the top candidate to become Clevelands next head coach.

There also are some up-and-coming NFL assistants who could be candidates for their first job as a defensive coordinator, though again McCarthy appears to think hes too far into his tenure to take such a risk. Among the top prospects are Sean McDermott, Philadelphias secondary coach; Keith Butler, Pittsburghs linebackers coach; Pepper Johnson, New Englands defensive line coach; and Bill Sheridan, the New York Giants linebackers coach.

Nolan also has appeal because though he prefers to run a 3-4 defense, hes also worked in the 4-3 and mixed that in extensively as coach of the 49ers. In his first season with San Francisco, the 49ers ran mostly a 4-3 and gradually evolved into primarily a 3-4 defense over his three-plus seasons with the team. McCarthy also might prefer a slower transition to the 3-4, because the Packers roster is built to play a 4-3, and switching to primarily a 3-4 in one offseason could be difficult and require major changes in personnel.

Hes good now. Hes smart, said the scout whos familiar with Nolan. He can run 3-4, 4-3, he knows it all. It depends on what personnel you have. Hell do whatever, morph to whatever. Hell use your players to their strengths. Hes smart that way.

Nolan has had some ups and downs as a defensive coordinator in the NFL but became the 49ers head coach largely on the strength of his performance as Baltimores defensive coordinator from 2002 to 2004. In his first season, he took over a Ravens defense gutted by a roster purge, and it finished only No. 22 in yards allowed and No. 19 in points allowed. But his defense finished No. 3 in yards and No. 6 in points in 03, and Nos. 6 in both in 04.

Before that, Nolan had the difficult job of replacing Bill Belichick as the New York Jets defensive coordinator in 2000. He essentially ran Belichicks version of the 3-4 and improved the Jets ranking in yards allowed from the previous season (No. 21 in 99 to No. 11 in 2000) and dropped slightly in points allowed (from No. 9 in 99 to No. 13 in 00). That offseason, though, Jets coach Al Groh left to become head coach at Virginia, and new coach Herm Edwards fired Nolan and most of the rest of the coaching staff.

Nolans most controversial stint as defensive coordinator, though, came with Washington from 1997 through 1999, after four generally successful seasons as the Giants defensive coordinator pegged him as a future head coach. Nolans first two seasons with Washington produced a solid performance in 97, when his defense ranked No. 16 in yards allowed and No. 8 in points, and a bad year in 98, when it ranked Nos. 24 and 28 respectively.

Then in 1999, brash neophyte Daniel Snyder purchased the team, and when Nolans defense struggled it finished the season ranked No. 30 in yards and No. 24 in points Snyder went after his defensive coordinator. The first-year NFL owner considered Nolans defenses vanilla, twice had ice cream delivered to Nolans office to hammer home the point, and after the 10-6 season, fired Nolan.

Nolan caught on as Baltimores receivers coach in 01 the only season hes coached offense then became defensive coordinator in 2002. The Ravens had won the Super Bowl in the 2000 season with one of the best defenses in NFL history, finished 10-6 in 2001, then had a roster makeover because salary-cap and age issues. Among the players the Ravens lost going into 2002 were defensive tackle duo Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa, linebacker Jamie Sharper, safety Rod Woodson, defensive end Rob Burnett and cornerback Duane Starks. Nolans defense finished that season No. 22 in yards allowed and No. 19 in points allowed, before finishing in the top six in both categories the next two years.


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16 years ago

I just don't think Nolan's the guy. If he was, why not name him already. I'm guessing Moss or Haslett - Want McDermott.

"minnypacker" wrote:



One potential reason that it hasn't been announced is maybe Moss won't be retained as well.. by delaying the announcement and allowing the Rams search to continue freely, it gives Moss a better chance of landing the job, with a potentially larger pay scale, thus relieving the Packers of Moss's contract all together.. since he got a raise last season, whom knows how much cash that may be since most of the assistants contracts are guaranteed.

Not saying that is the case, but it could be a connect the dots type scenario..
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bozz_2006
16 years ago
that certainly paints a rosey picture of Nolan. I do like him. But I still have the gut-feeling that our next DC will be Winston Moss.
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that certainly paints a rosey picture of Nolan. I do like him. But I still have the gut-feeling that our next DC will be Winston Moss.

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Agreed, it is a fluff article, but he brings the flexibility of either alignment and per the source, isn't married to one or the other.. thus allowing the talent to dictate the alignment and scheme..

I am not sold on Nolan being the best hire... but...

If you are MM, in year 4, and coming off a disappointing season in terms of wins and late game performances.. do you roll the dice with a first time DC?

Talk about risk.. he would really have to be sold on fact the guy could bring a solid defense in year one of the system and guys coaching tenure.
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minnypacker
16 years ago
This article states Nolan, Lombardi or Brandt has been saying Moss. We will see who is more connected.
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16 years ago

that certainly paints a rosey picture of Nolan. I do like him. But I still have the gut-feeling that our next DC will be Winston Moss.

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Agreed, it is a fluff article, but he brings the flexibility of either alignment and per the source, isn't married to one or the other.. thus allowing the talent to dictate the alignment and scheme..

I am not sold on Nolan being the best hire... but...

If you are Mike McCarthy, in year 4, and coming off a disappointing season in terms of wins and late game performances.. do you roll the dice with a first time DC?

Talk about risk.. he would really have to be sold on fact the guy could bring a solid defense in year one of the system and guys coaching tenure.

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this is the NFL and the egos are huge so this is probably implausable but...

Could Mike be using Nolan as transition to Moss? I mean is that crazy? Like Nolan comes in runs the show while Moss gets added say-so. Kind of like bringing up Moss?

So Mike goes out and says "look Nolan, I like Moss as a coach and i think he has what it takes to be the defensive coordinator here. but its a risky move at this time and i think you can help solidify the situation while training/working with Moss"

I mean thats a possibility at least right now right?
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that certainly paints a rosey picture of Nolan. I do like him. But I still have the gut-feeling that our next DC will be Winston Moss.

"Packnic" wrote:



Agreed, it is a fluff article, but he brings the flexibility of either alignment and per the source, isn't married to one or the other.. thus allowing the talent to dictate the alignment and scheme..

I am not sold on Nolan being the best hire... but...

If you are Mike McCarthy, in year 4, and coming off a disappointing season in terms of wins and late game performances.. do you roll the dice with a first time DC?

Talk about risk.. he would really have to be sold on fact the guy could bring a solid defense in year one of the system and guys coaching tenure.

"pack93z" wrote:




this is the NFL and the egos are huge so this is probably implausable but...

Could Mike be using Nolan as transition to Moss? I mean is that crazy? Like Nolan comes in runs the show while Moss gets added say-so. Kind of like bringing up Moss?

So Mike goes out and says "look Nolan, I like Moss as a coach and i think he has what it takes to be the defensive coordinator here. but its a risky move at this time and i think you can help solidify the situation while training/working with Moss"

I mean thats a possibility at least right now right?

"bozz_2006" wrote:



Anything within reason is possible.. Could be a stepping stone for both gents.. Mike to get back into the Head Coaching talks and Moss to elevate his career.. on question, if people are truly smittened with Moss as talks around here suggest.. then wouldn't that be a little bit of a risk in training Moss and then watching him jet for a HC position he covets?

All this speculation is fun.. keeps the offseason talks juiced..
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16 years ago

this is the NFL and the egos are huge so this is probably implausable but...

Could Mike be using Nolan as transition to Moss? I mean is that crazy? Like Nolan comes in runs the show while Moss gets added say-so. Kind of like bringing up Moss?

So Mike goes out and says "look Nolan, I like Moss as a coach and i think he has what it takes to be the defensive coordinator here. but its a risky move at this time and i think you can help solidify the situation while training/working with Moss"

I mean thats a possibility at least right now right?

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I don't think this is that weird. I doubt whether he'd tell Nolan though.

I think Moss will just be on the coaches roster for another 2-3 years, then Nolan will be gone, and McCarthy will hope Moss' has learned the trade at that time. (If McCarthy will stay that long)

With McCarthy's spot not seeming to be as solid as it did last season, maybe he's just going to the veteran, not taking any bigger chances than firing the entire coaching staff by appointing a rookie DC.

All these posibilities... I just hope we'll hear what'll happen soon enough.
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16 years ago
I think Winston Moss is going to stay on regardless because I believe he has experience in the 3-4 and 4-3 so it make sense to have a guy with experience in playing or coaching in both when your probably going to run a hybrid.

Plus he's a good coach. Regardless of how the linebackers play, Moss is a highly motivated and highly regarded coach around the NFL.

I think Mike Nolan is a good hire and I know critics aren't going to like it because of the poor season McCarthy and Nolan had in their first year in San Francisco, but that 49er roster was awful and that had more to do with the ownership and previous regime than it did Mike Nolan and Mike McCarthy. Not to say Nolan did a good job later on as he obviously didn't, but he won't be calling the shots here.

Thompson and McCarthy will.

I think this is a good get for both sides assuming it even happens and if Mike Nolan helps turn around the Packers defense, he'll probably be in line for a head coching job again.
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16 years ago
Well, let's look at where Nolan's defenses ranked:

1993 Giants -> 5th, 12.8 Pts/gm, 291.4 Yds/gm
1994 Giants -> 11th, 19.1 Pts/gm, 309.4 Yds/gm
1995 Giants -> 17th, 21.2 Pts/gm, 330.8 Yds/gm
1996 Giants -> 14th, 18.6 Pts/gm, 315.4 Yds/gm
1997 Redskins -> 16th, 18.1 Pts/gm, 314.4 Yds/gm
1998 Redskins -> 24th, 26.3 Pts/gm, 334.6 Yds/gm
1999 Redskins -> 30th, 23.6 Pts/gm, 356.6 Yds/gm
2000 Jets -> Tied 10th with PHI, 20.1 Pts/gm, 301.2 Yds/gm
2002 Ravens -> 22nd, 22.1 Pts/gm, 334.6 Yds/gm
2003 Ravens -> 3rd, 17.6 Pts/gm, 271.3 Yds/gm
2004 Ravens -> 6th, 16.8 Pts/gm, 300.2 Yds/gm


Hmm. Besides the Ravens years it seems like his defenses have a trend of regressing. However, since those are his early years and now he has some head coaching experience, dealing with adversity and bad situations in which he was in control, I think stepping into a defensive coordinator role again might be benificial. We'll see though.
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Well Lombardi is now hopping on the Nolan train of a story as well...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/01/national-football-post-tavern-talk-91/ 

I hear the Packers are committed to becoming a 3-4 defense. This must mean Mike Nolan is coming on board very soon.


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Well placement doesn't mean as much to me as what you see on the field, pass rush, run stop. On big plays and all that. Minnesota is ranked 13th this year in points given up per game. But we know they are a real dangerous defensive team that can cause turn overs and put a serious pass rush on any D.

We just gave up way too many big plays and it was consistent, once they hit a big play we couldn't adjust to stop it again. And all the way throught the game we wouldn't create pass rush OR be able to stop the run.

Obviously Mike is going to need more talent on the D just to be safe, but that's something the draft and FA SHOULD be able to take care of. I think if we fix the line up. Add some new looks and you fix the D.
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16 years ago
I dont like the nolan talk at all

He is going to get the itch again to be a HC, and what if its at the end of the season..

Screw that
wils0646
16 years ago

Well Lombardi is now hopping on the Nolan train of a story as well...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/01/national-football-post-tavern-talk-91/ 

I hear the Packers are committed to becoming a 3-4 defense. This must mean Mike Nolan is coming on board very soon.

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I don't like this....

I don't see our personnel even fitting this scheme.
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16 years ago
It's going to be very interesting....I can't wait to see how it plays out.
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bozz_2006
16 years ago
i don't either, wils.
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go.pack.go.
16 years ago
Mike Nolan can coach the 3-4 AND the 4-3, he will do what this team is most fit for, which is the 4-3. I read this, I'm not just making it up.
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