texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

Should the Packers sign Ryan Pickett or Johnny Jolly to replace injured nose tackle B.J. Raji?
Yes (63%)

No (37%)

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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Let's see, that 37% includes Thompson, McCarthy, Capers, and me - who else?


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uffda udfa
10 years ago

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Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Ummm...watch that one again. Who got pancaked? The Raider OL is the one who put Datone on the ground and Datone flipped him over when they hit.


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DarkaneRules
10 years ago
Yep. If it were wrestling, which it kind of is, that means Jones won that rep.
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steveishere
10 years ago

Ummm...watch that one again. Who got pancaked? The Raider OL is the one who put Datone on the ground and Datone flipped him over when they hit.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Rofl no, considering Jones back never touched the ground and the OL did (4 yards into the backfield and in the middle of what was supposed to be the running lane) I would say the OL got pancaked. The RB had to re route because his RT hit him 1 yard after he took a hand off. Even if Jones ended up on his back in that same spot he still won because he blew up the running lane.
beast
10 years ago

Ummm...watch that one again. Who got pancaked? The Raider OL is the one who put Datone on the ground and Datone flipped him over when they hit.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



What?!? ...The Raiders OL tried a move and couldn't complete it, and Jones used a counter move and landed on top of the knocked down Raiders OL... the Raiders OL didn't take Jones down... Jones took them both down.

And honestly it looks like basic wrestling... the Raiders OL tried an upper body throw and Jones controlled his momentum to hang back while the OL didn't control his momentum which got him out of control and Jones used the OL momentum to knock him off balance... it's basically fat man (or heavyweight if you want to be PC) wrestling 101 and it's pretty clear that's what happened.
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uffda udfa
10 years ago
Wow...just wow. The Raider OL CLEARLY turned him to throw him down and did and Datone flipped him over on contact with the ground. I'm never ceased to be amazed at the way people view things.

I love the Packers, but I can CLEARLY see what happened there. Yes, Datone ended up on top of him. What happened is the equivalent of a guy landing on top of a guy in a hockey fight after he got whupped. Landing on top of someone doesn't mean you won. The Raider OL beat Datone on that one and Datone landed on top.
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DarkaneRules
10 years ago
His job as an Offensive Lineman is to go forward. He went backwards. Regardless of who flipped who, one guy went forward and another went backward. If he is on the ground and on his back, he is taken out of the play regardless of who anyone here thinks won.
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beast
10 years ago

The Raider OL CLEARLY turned him to throw him down and did

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



The Raiders OL clearly tried to throw him, if he you watch closely it failed to knock Jones off his feet... as Jones used his leg arm to drag the OL to keep the OL momentum going, which knocks the OL off balance first...

I can CLEARLY see what happened there.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



If you think Jones got knock off his feet first there then clearly you can't figure out what happened and you're getting confuses by the camera angles. If you watch just Jones you'll see as he pops back and gets back squared up on his OL while he's knocked off balanced.

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earthquake
10 years ago

His job as an Offensive Lineman is to go forward. He went backwards. Regardless of who flipped who, one guy went forward and another went backward. If he is on the ground and on his back, he is taken out of the play regardless of who anyone here thinks won.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



Yep, the OL got pushed back 4 yards behind the LOS. Regardless of what spin you give it, this is a negative play for the OL.
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beast
10 years ago

His job as an Offensive Lineman is to go forward. He went backwards. Regardless of who flipped who, one guy went forward and another went backward. If he is on the ground and on his back, he is taken out of the play regardless of who anyone here thinks won.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



As a former linemen, I can speak to that you job isn't always to go forward, it's your job to knock the defender out of the play and the OL tried to do that by throwing Jones to his back left and he was expecting the RB to go to his right.

As a former linemen and heavyweight wrestler I can clearly say the OL tried a throw and failed to finish it as Jones kept his balance, controlled his momentum, pumped his brakes, use a counter by his left arm to push/pull the OL keeping the OL momentum going, which knocks him off balance (because he didn't keep moving his feet) and Jones clearly squares back-up moving back into his gap...

Clearly the OL half knocked Jones out of his gap but Jones regained control got back into his gap and finished the play. There is no question about it, if that happened in one on one the win would clearly go to the DL on that. It was a good attempted and he seemed to catch Jones off guard but clearly if you watch it closely Jones recovered from it with out going to the ground.
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