Words I Like From McCarthy· Page 3

gbguy20
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11 years ago

You are tired of #5 and #6 guys doing jack shit? Who cares. Every year we end up with a good WR group, that's all that matters. Who gives a crap if your #5 guy was undrafted or late round guy, that's how you want it to be. If you have 3 or 4 good WRs at the top of your roster you don't waste high picks or $ on your #5.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Did you even read what I said?

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musccy
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#22

You really got me there, listing 2 guys over a 14 year span.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

Fine, add Bill Schroeder (6th) Corey Bradford (5th), Ruvell Martin was a UDFA for San Diego before being picked up by the Packers. They all contributed. Donald and Boykin obviously have. I'm intrigued by Dorsey. Late round picks have been a key asset to the team at the WR position.

warhawk
Senior Member

11 years ago

#23

Charles Johnson?
Didn't he get picked of the PS as well last year? I remember a lot of fans thinking he could be a player that could develop into something.

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gbguy20
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: musccy

Remember when there was talk that the packers werent surrounding brett with enough talent to throw to? Those were the schroeder and bradford days.

But seriously you have still missed the point. Moving on now....

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sschind
Senior Member

11 years ago

#25

in 2012 we had 5 legitimate pass catching threats (Jennings, Jones, Driver, Nelson, Finley) and 1 very promising young guy (Cobb) At that point yeah, it really didn't matter who was our #5 and #6 receivers and we could afford to take late flyers on guys with potential. The thing is those late round picks and UDFAs are not picked to be an immediate help to the team. They are developmental type guys.

Now we have 2 legitimate pass catching threats (Nelson, Cobb) and 2 young guys that have showed not to entirely suck (Boykin and Quarless) though I am not sold entirely on either of them yet. We can't afford three years to develop new guys. I know rookie WRs don't often contribute much the first year even as first or second round guys so in that respect expecting a big help from the draft is maybe getting our hopes up. I also realize that many high round picks do not pan out. But the truth is they probably have a better chance than a 6th or 7th rounder.

Regardless of whether or not you think WR is a position of need, I happen to think it is, you can not deny that our pass catching corps as of right now is vastly depleted when compared to what we had during the 2012 season. We may not be at a critical stage but we no longer have one of the top pass catching teams in the league. We are average at best and we may not even be the best in the division any more.

With Rodgers we will always have a bit of a cushion but those who think we can plug and play any guy off the street and not miss a beat will find out soon enough that getting the ball to the receiver is only half the equation.

musccy
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#26

Originally Posted by: sschind

Driver was on the backside of his career by 2012. Finley has never quite been what he was in the 2009 season, so the implied cumulative strength of those 5 players is misleading. I understand what you're saying that the Packers currently have fewer proven commodities, but I think it's safe to say they have 4 very reliable, proven receiving threats right now. Boykin in 2013 compares very favorably to anything Jones has ever done with the exception of the 14 TDs.

Of course I'd feel better with more depth, but I also don't think we're in dire straits. Yes, we'll have to rely on young targets but look how Boykin stepped up. We didn't have a clue who he was 365 days ago, do we know Dorsey or Bostick can't do that? I'm confident Uncle Ted will pick up at least 1 WR/TE in the first 5 rounds, and we'll be in OK shape in 2014 relying on Cobb, Nelson, Quarless, and Boykin, while letting newbies slowly develop and contribute.

sschind
Senior Member

11 years ago

#27

Originally Posted by: musccy

I do agree that we are not in dire straits but I don't think I am as confidant as you are.

I think Driver, had he been leaned on, would have performed at least as well as Boykin did last year. At least he was a proven commodity. I also think most people are a little higher on Boykin than I am right now. At this point he is kind of exactly what gbguy was talking about. One of those guys that comes on and shows flashes but then disappears into the background again.

I hope you are right though. I'd gladly be wrong on this one.

Laser Gunns
Senior Member

11 years ago

#28

comparing 2010 to now:

IMO

? = not sure on direct replacment

as far as pass-catchers go, we've added Boykin and Cobb to offset the losses of Driver and Jones, but (so far) have nobody filling Jennings and Finley's spot.

notably downgraded

-OLB: Walden for Perry (too many injuries so far, Walden was awful but at least he was on the field)

- FS: Nick Collins for ?

- WR: Greg Jennings for ?

-NT: Raji for Raji

- C: Scott Wells/EDS for ?

- TE: Jermichael Finley for ?

- DE: Pickett for ?

- ILB: Bishop for Jones

Replaced well enough, or of equal skill

= DE: Jenkins for Daniels/Jones

= SS: Peprah for Burnett

= LT: Chad Clifton for Bahktiari

= WR: Driver for Cobb

= WR: J.Jones for Boykin

= Outside CB: Shields for woodson

= College for Lang

notably Improved

+ RB: Eddie Lacy for Starks/ Brandon Jackson

+ Slot CB: Hayward/Hyde for Bush

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texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

#29

If James Jones was considered a legitimate receiving threat - and he probably was, then certainly Jarrett Boykin is just as much, if not more of a legitimate threat. Same story with Quarless compared to Finley.

The bottom line, though, is Aaron Rodgers makes all of these guys a lot better, and whoever ends up on the receiving end will be a threat - if he can only catch a well thrown ball (what was the prime complaint again about both Jones and Finley over their careers?)

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steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#30

As far as WR go production wise compared to 2010 we replaced Jennings with Jordy (call it equal), Driver with Cobb (upgrade), and Jones with Boykin (equal enough production wise). We don't have anyone as of yet that we know of to be the 3rd outside type WR to cover what Jordy did that season.

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