Good Lord. You're now basing their wins on "it" factors from the QB position. Did I say the defense or running game won all of their games? No. But they certainly helped significantly.

You need to use logic and reasoning when making points.

Let me ask you this...would we have won more games with a Baltimore defense or Atlanta running game? Answer me this please.

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A GM is judged on his decisions. If you are a good GM, you know that Michael Turner is a better option than Ryan Grant. But , as usual, Grant was "cheaper", and you know our GM, TT.

Do you just believe in change for change's sake, and not in getting better, as your avatar seems to suggest?

What kind of a stupid belief is that?

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your basing your assessment on Turner AFTER the fact..

Anyone can play that game

Well, you wonder how bad the injuries were. I heard this morning his neck, shoulder, and back have been hurting.

Keep in mind, when they were 8-3, a lot of us (myself included) were saying Favre is an MVP candidate. Then his game went to **** and he hasn't done squat after it.

Injuries? Is this something he can overcome?

Stats after 11 games - 20 TDs, 13 INTs. Since - 2 TDs, 9 INTs.

The thing is, because we all know how proud Brett is, he won't tell us the truth about how hurt he is.

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zombie I thought Brett always tells the truth?

Truth..from another (Jets) forum

65552. Favre
by Whopper, 12/29/08 12:25 ET
not all his fault. After the Denver game when teams saw Denver take away the short stuff and dare the Jet receivers to get open deep and they couldn't, the blueprint was set for the rest of the year. Coles has got to go, overrated loudmouth. Line sucked too at pass blocking, Favre got killed all year. Pennington never would have lasted the season.

65552.1. EXACTLY!
by EasyEli, 12/29/08 12:29 ET
Re: Favre by Whopper, 12/29/08
Phil Simms said "the difference is that these Jet receivers just can't get open on 3rd down anymore.

65545. Jets misguided offense
by xpackfan, 12/29/08 12:06 ET
This is from a Packers board:The Jets offense is horrible, they don't put 4 and 5 wide out there, Brett is deadly on the 3rd and 4th read. They don't run the slant, now why in the hell are you going to not run the slant and have BF as your QB. They come to the LOS and put out 2 wide and then expect BF to work miracles. I was at the Jets Oakland game, the WRs were never open. They put up 3 on Seattle, the worst pass defense in the NFL for God's sake! The don't use Leon Washinghton properly, I think he's deadly on misdirection draws and screens in single back formation again with 3-5 wide out there. BF is only going to do so much under a new offense system, they never changed the system to fit the player which is what they should have done. Sparano out coached them and won the game with far and away less talent.Mangini reminds me a lot of Mike Sherman, Sparano and Belichek will have his number for years. The Jets were giving up 400 yards a week on offense playing a prevent defense rushing 3 guys time and again, absolutely stupid.

65545.1. That's because they
by EasyEli, 12/29/08 12:12 ET
Re: Jets misguided offense by xpackfan, 12/29/08
have a "Shittenheimer" calling the plays...
That clan is the bastard, red headed, stepchild of the NFL...

Plus, Shannon Sharpe is a "Muleface", just an fyi...

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This is probably a special case. It's a denial of how bad a situation is. Like if you're in a war and your buddy's been shot. You don't tell him "hey, you're gonna die." You tell him to hold on and the medics will be here soon.

Or something like that.

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Cmon, I can post 2x more Jet fans that put blame on Brett for some of the team's woes.

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This avatar is old. I'll change it.

Your point is still stupid. It would have been dumb to go after Turner after the year Grant had. Hindsight is always great isn't it?

BTW, how well do you think Turner would have done with our line compared to Atlanta's? It's still stupid to speculate though.

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True. But they wouldn't be accurate.

This is an accurate assessment, and you would admit it if you were honest.

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