Perry is the only one of those guys who has ever even played 4-3 end. Jones played 3-4 NT and End in college and has the right body type for a 3-4 end. Daniels and Neal played DT in a 4-3 in college and have the body type for a DT. You don't make any sense at all. If any of the actual lineman fit at 4-3 end it's CJ Wilson.

I do think with some adjustments we could make a move to a 4-3 without too much of an issue but you are really reaching to say all of our players are 4-3 guys. Especially with the ones you listed. We'd be very heavy on interior DTs and light on edge rushers

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

I'm pretty sure they aren't gonna make a complete switch in mid-season, and undoubtedly they play a few snaps with a 4 man line now.

I may be the last one defending Capers, but I still say, with the personnel we have, FINESSE - trickery - Capers style D is what's needed. A switch to 4 - 3 would probably include a new D Coordinator, and would involve a major change of philosophy from finesse to toughness. Wanting that toughness is easy to say, but making it happen without the right kind of personnel is difficult.

I could see a 4 - 3 next season - even though I'd prefer keeping the 3 - 4. Datone Jones and Nick Perry, rotating with Neal at 4 - 3 DE; Daniels and Worthy rotating with Jolly at DT; Matthews and Mulumba and/or a first round pick at OLB; I guess Hawk could handle MLB until something better comes along. Even with just 3 LBs, that would seem to be the area of need.

3 - 4 or 4 - 3, one key I see is getting rid of those big soft fatties - primarily Raji. Jolly comes back after 3 years out of the league, and outplays both Raji and Pickett - what does that say about Raji and Pickett?

Since this apparently was originally the thread about Rodgers, I will just say this: none of this discussion would have come up with him there masking the D problems/outscoring teams. 3 straight 27s against us? Some of that on our offense's turnovers? Aaron woulda put 30 - 50 on the board against those teams - which is not to say better D wouldn't be really nice.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Perry is the only one of those guys who has ever even played 4-3 end. Jones played 3-4 NT and End in college and has the right body type for a 3-4 end. Daniels and Neal played DT in a 4-3 in college and have the body type for a DT. You don't make any sense at all. If any of the actual lineman fit at 4-3 end it's CJ Wilson.

I do think with some adjustments we could make a move to a 4-3 without too much of an issue but you are really reaching to say all of our players are 4-3 guys. Especially with the ones you listed. We'd be very heavy on interior DTs and light on edge rushers

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

Jones had to bulk up to 285. That's not "the right body size for a 3-4 end." Yeah I know, Justin Smith does it. That's not the prototype.

We have by far more 4-3 type guys that 3-4 type guys.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Look up what they keep saying about Daniels. "Undersized." If he was a prototypical 3-4 end, he'd be starting. lol

As for Neal, if he bulked back up he might be able to move inside, but he's also a 4-3 end type, as we see by the fact that they've moved him to OLB.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

I never said daniels was a 3 4 end I said he was a DT lol. Neal was still playing DT in nickle this year until all of the olb got hurt he played dt in college and was drafted as a dt/3-4de. For a 4 3 we have a ton of DTs and almost no DEs so no we dont have mostly 4 3 personnel. Unless you think having 6 or 7 back ups at DT when there are only 2 on the field ever at a time is a good set up.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

Daniels might be able to play as a DT, but he's a pass rusher. Hell, he's leading the team in sacks iirc.

As for Neal, if he bulked up he could play inside. But he's down to what, 275 right now?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann