Switch to 4 - 3· Page 3

Rockmolder
Honored Member

11 years ago

DT is the interior defensive linemen in a 4 - 3 scheme : defensive tackle
NT is the interior defensive lineman in a 3 - 4 scheme : nose tackle

That being true then Mike Daniels would be a NT, not DT right now. Unless when I was corrected on this, that was wrong.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

NT is more of a sub-category of DT, if I'm correct.

I thought he was playing DE in our scheme, regardless, which would translate to DT, most likely UT, in a 4-3 scheme. Maybe DE if you have freakish athletic ability like Jenkins had.

steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#22

Mike Daniels plays inside in our Nickle formations. I haven't seen him line up as a base end or NT that's why I called him a DT.

steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#23

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I'm not the expert or anything but I think all line positions in the 3-4 are considered interior lineman. NT is usually a bigger body type like Pickett and have more gap responsibility. Some 4-3 uses NTs as well (Pat Williams). Some don't (Suh, Fairley)

Rockmolder
Honored Member

11 years ago

#24

Mike Daniels plays inside in our Nickle formations. I haven't seen him line up as a base end or NT that's why I called him a DT.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Ah, yeah, you're completely right. That formation, in essence, is a 4-3 formation, but with the DEs (OLBs) standing up.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

#25

Aaron Kampman was a Defensive End. Which DE is in both 4 - 3 and 3 - 4 schemes. However, DT and NT are not. Go figure!!

DE - DT - DT - DE

DE - NT - DE

I said 'interior' followed with defensive lineman to avoid the ambiguity of 'interior linemen' of both defensive and offensive lines. I was specifying the interior OF the defensive line, not the defensive 11.

For what it's worth, Pro Football Focus lumps both DT and NT together with their stats.

Cumulative Defense Tackle & Nose Tackle Summary

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

#26

He plays DT right now. What are you talking about "he's a pass rusher". Suh, Fairley, Casey, Melton, Atkins, McCoy, Hatcher are all DTs. I'm not quite sure where you are even going with that. Maybe you thought I was saying NT.

Could Neal and Jones possibly be moved to a 4-3 end yeah do they have any experience in their life rushing the edge against OTs? Jones doesn't and Neals only experience has been this year and he hasn't been particularly great at it. Neither has done it with their hand in the dirt.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Mike-Daniels/021f5185-ba06-415a-a6a4-0860a519610f

Packers.com lists Daniels as a DE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Daniels_%28American_football%29

Mike Daniels (born May 5, 1989) is an American football defensive end for the Green Bay Packers.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

#27

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Kabeer was a pass rushing DE too.

That's how I view Nick Perry, Mike Neal, probably Clay Matthew (although you could easily line him up at LB too) and Datone Jones.

Perry didn't even want to be drafted by a 3-4 team, he wanted to be a 4-3 DE. Iirc Datone held off on bulking up before the draft, because he wasn't sure what kind of team was going to draft him.

As for Daniels, you could line him up inside, but he's only 300 lbs, not 340 like a real NT or DT. He's not gonna necessarily stuff the run up the middle. He has shown however, that he can get to the QB.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#28

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Mike-Daniels/021f5185-ba06-415a-a6a4-0860a519610f

Packers.com lists Daniels as a DE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Daniels_%28American_football%29

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Have you ever watched a Packers game? They may have him listed like that but I've never once seen him line up as a base DE. He lines up next to another "DT" inside of 2 edge rushers. That's a DT. If I'm wrong then by all means tell me how many times Daniels has actually played DE in a game this year.

steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#29

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

You seriously think a 4-3 defense has 2 340lb guys in the middle? Most of those guys are around 300lbs.

play2win
Senior Member

11 years ago

#30

You seriously think a 4-3 defense has 2 340lb guys in the middle? Most of those guys are around 300lbs.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

You must not remember Fritz Shurmur's 4-3 with Gilbert Brown and Santana Dotson. The best 4-3s always have the beef in the middle.

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

dfosterf (13h) : *analysis* gettin' old

dfosterf (13h) : One of the best analyisis I"ve ever watched at this time of an offseason

dfosterf (13h) : Andy Herman interviewed Warren Sharp on his Pack a day podcast

packerfanoutwest (10-Jul) : Us Padres fans love it....But it'll be a Dodgers/Yankees World Series

Zero2Cool (9-Jul) : Brewers sweep Dodgers. Awesome

Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : And James Flanigan is the grandson of Packers Super Bowl winner Jim Flanigan Sr.

Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : Jerome Bettis and Jim Flanigans sons as well!

Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Thomas Davis Jr is OLB, not WR. Oops.

Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Larry Fitzgeral and Thomas Davis sons too. WR's as well.

Mucky Tundra (5-Jul) : Kaydon Finley, son of Jermichael Finley, commits to Notre Dame

dfosterf (3-Jul) : Make sure to send my props to him! A plus move!

Zero2Cool (3-Jul) : My cousin, yes.

dfosterf (3-Jul) : That was your brother the GB press gazette referenced with the red cross draft props thing, yes?

Zero2Cool (2-Jul) : Packers gonna unveil new throwback helmet in few weeks.

Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : I know it's Kleiman but this stuff writes itself

Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : "Make sure she signs the NDA before asking for a Happy Ending!"

Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : @NFL_DovKleiman Powerful: Deshaun Watson is taking Shedeur Sanders 'under his wing' as a mentor to the Browns QBs

Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Dolphins get (back) Minkah Fitzpatrick in trade

Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Steelers land Jalen Ramsey via Trade

dfosterf (26-Jun) : I think it would be great to have someone like Tom Grossi or Andy Herman on the Board of Directors so he/they could inform us

dfosterf (26-Jun) : Fair enough, WPR. Thing is, I have been a long time advocate to at least have some inkling of the dynamics within the board.

wpr (26-Jun) : 1st world owners/stockholders problems dfosterf.

Martha Careful (25-Jun) : I would have otherwise admirably served

dfosterf (25-Jun) : Also, no more provision for a write-in candidate, so Martha is off the table at least for this year

dfosterf (25-Jun) : You do have to interpret the boring fine print, but all stockholders all see he is on the ballot

dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy

dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy is on my ballot subject to me penciling him in as a no.

dfosterf (25-Jun) : I thought it used to be we voted for the whatever they called the 45, and then they voted for the seven, and then they voted for Mark Murphy

dfosterf (25-Jun) : Because I was too lazy to change my address, I haven't voted fot years until this year

dfosterf (25-Jun) : of the folks that run this team. I do not recall Mark Murphy being subject to our vote.

dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy yay or nay is on the pre-approved ballot that we always approve because we are uninformed and lazy, along with all the rest

dfosterf (25-Jun) : Weird question. Very esoteric. For stockholders. Also lengthy. Sorry. Offseason.

Zero2Cool (25-Jun) : Maybe wicked wind chill made it worse?

Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : And then he signs with Cleveland in the offseason

Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : @SharpFootball WR Diontae Johnson just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41° weather last year in Baltimore because he felt “ice cold”

Zero2Cool (24-Jun) : Yawn. Rodgers says he is "pretty sure" this be final season.

Zero2Cool (23-Jun) : PFT claims Packers are having extension talks with Zach Tom, Quay Walker.

Mucky Tundra (20-Jun) : GB-Minnesota 2004 Wild Card game popped up on my YouTube page....UGH

beast (20-Jun) : Hmm 🤔 re-signing Walker before Tom? Sounds highly questionable to me.

Mucky Tundra (19-Jun) : One person on Twitter=cannon law

Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Well, to ONE person on Tweeter

Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : According to Tweeter

Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Packers are working on extension for LT Walker they hope to have done before camp

dfosterf (18-Jun) : E4B landed at Andrews last night

dfosterf (18-Jun) : 101 in a 60

dfosterf (18-Jun) : FAFO

Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : one year $4m with incentives to make it up to $6m

dfosterf (18-Jun) : Or Lions

dfosterf (18-Jun) : Beats the hell out of a Vikings signing

Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : Baltimore Ravens now have signed former Packers CB Jaire Alexander.

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2025 Packers Schedule

Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM

COMMANDERS

Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM

Browns

Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM

Cowboys

Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM

BENGALS

Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM

Cardinals

Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM

Steelers

Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM

PANTHERS

Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM

EAGLES

Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM

Giants

Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM

Lions

Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM

BEARS

Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM

Broncos

Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM

Bears

Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM

RAVENS

Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM

Vikings