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Rockmolder
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DT is the interior defensive linemen in a 4 - 3 scheme : defensive tackle
NT is the interior defensive lineman in a 3 - 4 scheme : nose tackle

That being true then Mike Daniels would be a NT, not DT right now. Unless when I was corrected on this, that was wrong.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

NT is more of a sub-category of DT, if I'm correct.

I thought he was playing DE in our scheme, regardless, which would translate to DT, most likely UT, in a 4-3 scheme. Maybe DE if you have freakish athletic ability like Jenkins had.

steveishere
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11 years ago

#22

Mike Daniels plays inside in our Nickle formations. I haven't seen him line up as a base end or NT that's why I called him a DT.

steveishere
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#23

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I'm not the expert or anything but I think all line positions in the 3-4 are considered interior lineman. NT is usually a bigger body type like Pickett and have more gap responsibility. Some 4-3 uses NTs as well (Pat Williams). Some don't (Suh, Fairley)

Rockmolder
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Mike Daniels plays inside in our Nickle formations. I haven't seen him line up as a base end or NT that's why I called him a DT.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Ah, yeah, you're completely right. That formation, in essence, is a 4-3 formation, but with the DEs (OLBs) standing up.

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#25

Aaron Kampman was a Defensive End. Which DE is in both 4 - 3 and 3 - 4 schemes. However, DT and NT are not. Go figure!!

DE - DT - DT - DE

DE - NT - DE

I said 'interior' followed with defensive lineman to avoid the ambiguity of 'interior linemen' of both defensive and offensive lines. I was specifying the interior OF the defensive line, not the defensive 11.

For what it's worth, Pro Football Focus lumps both DT and NT together with their stats.

Cumulative Defense Tackle & Nose Tackle Summary

nerdmann
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#26

He plays DT right now. What are you talking about "he's a pass rusher". Suh, Fairley, Casey, Melton, Atkins, McCoy, Hatcher are all DTs. I'm not quite sure where you are even going with that. Maybe you thought I was saying NT.

Could Neal and Jones possibly be moved to a 4-3 end yeah do they have any experience in their life rushing the edge against OTs? Jones doesn't and Neals only experience has been this year and he hasn't been particularly great at it. Neither has done it with their hand in the dirt.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Mike-Daniels/021f5185-ba06-415a-a6a4-0860a519610f

Packers.com lists Daniels as a DE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Daniels_%28American_football%29

Mike Daniels (born May 5, 1989) is an American football defensive end for the Green Bay Packers.

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nerdmann
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#27

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Kabeer was a pass rushing DE too.

That's how I view Nick Perry, Mike Neal, probably Clay Matthew (although you could easily line him up at LB too) and Datone Jones.

Perry didn't even want to be drafted by a 3-4 team, he wanted to be a 4-3 DE. Iirc Datone held off on bulking up before the draft, because he wasn't sure what kind of team was going to draft him.

As for Daniels, you could line him up inside, but he's only 300 lbs, not 340 like a real NT or DT. He's not gonna necessarily stuff the run up the middle. He has shown however, that he can get to the QB.

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http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Mike-Daniels/021f5185-ba06-415a-a6a4-0860a519610f

Packers.com lists Daniels as a DE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Daniels_%28American_football%29

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Have you ever watched a Packers game? They may have him listed like that but I've never once seen him line up as a base DE. He lines up next to another "DT" inside of 2 edge rushers. That's a DT. If I'm wrong then by all means tell me how many times Daniels has actually played DE in a game this year.

steveishere
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#29

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

You seriously think a 4-3 defense has 2 340lb guys in the middle? Most of those guys are around 300lbs.

play2win
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You seriously think a 4-3 defense has 2 340lb guys in the middle? Most of those guys are around 300lbs.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

You must not remember Fritz Shurmur's 4-3 with Gilbert Brown and Santana Dotson. The best 4-3s always have the beef in the middle.

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You must not remember Fritz Shurmur's 4-3 with Gilbert Brown and Santana Dotson. The best 4-3s always have the beef in the middle.

Originally Posted by: play2win

I'm pretty sure Santana Dotson was under 300lbs. I've already said some 4-3 defenses use a NT who would usually be around 315-340lb but I don't know of any that use 2 and every 4-3 I can think of has DTs that are around 280-310 lbs on it.

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#32

Tampa Bay played a 4-3 very well with Sapp being their biggest DLineman at around 300lbs. But you need to have a lot of speed on the field.

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#33

Not so enthused with blowing up the coaching staff like some of the other fans seem to be...

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

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#34

Not so enthused with blowing up the coaching staff like some of the other fans seem to be...

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules

I am, hell I'd attempt a back flip if the senile old fuck that's done nothing but wasted talent got the axe. When do we hold any of these guys accountable?

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Not so enthused with blowing up the coaching staff like some of the other fans seem to be...

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules

Agree, some of those same would cut everyone on the team not named Rodgers or Mathews, because in their twisted minds, they are the only players The Packers need to win ball games.

Injuries and a -6 turnover ratio is what has put The Packers at 5-5.

But hey let's listen to all the online GM geniuses and blow up the whole team, get rid of the coaching staff and start over.

Everybody knows it's a real simple step to switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3.
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

Are you done pouting now?

Since we never successfully switched over to 3-4; we've been in limbo for 5 years anyway!

The Packers only have 5 wins because of their top 5 offense, but now that's gone and it's all downhill from here. But you hang on to those little engine that could thoughts and I'll live in reality.

nerdmann
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT

You're hilarious dude.

LOL

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#38

Originally Posted by: steveishere

He doesn't play in the base. Because he's not a prototypical fit for the system.

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#39

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

I love your reality, you strive on the failure and pain of Packer players.

The King of DOOM and GLOOM posts right here on this forum, we are all so lucky.

Just kills you when The Packers are successful, because when they are not then you are at your best bitching and whining and making your idiot claims that you know what is best for The Green Bay Packers.

Your right about one thing, I'm going to support the guys who play.

Now I expect a smartass reply, because we all know that you always have to have the last word.

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#40

You're hilarious dude.

LOL

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

There's a reason you call me Sensai. [grin1]

Poor Buckeye, he makes it sooooo easy! He and Texas really need to start up Dumbass Dojo!

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