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The Green Bay Packers roster will take shape by the end of the month. Their 53-man cut day is Aug. 31, just two days after the team’s final preseason game against the Chiefs. That means in roughly the next three weeks the Packers’ roster will be reduced from 89 players to 53, leaving 36 players currently on the roster out of work.


Currently, I see four veteran players that could be surprise roster cuts this year.

John Kuhn
D.J.-Williams
Jarrett Bush
Mike Neal

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I don't see Neal getting cut. Kuhn certainly. Williams possible. If they have a new younger gunner Bush probable.
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I don't see Neal getting cut. Kuhn certainly. Williams possible. If they have a new younger gunner Bush probable.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Kuhn, Williams, Ryan Taylor, Bush, I could see those 4.

If they don't have anyone else to play safety, Bush could stick.
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11 years ago
Neal isn't going anywhere unless he suffers another substantial injury soon.
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I don't see Neal getting cut. Kuhn certainly. Williams possible. If they have a new younger gunner Bush probable.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Kuhn had some of the best blocking in the drills (if not the best) - although maybe he can be replaced by mulligan and lacy for the short yardage play ... I dont take it that he is most likely out thou.

Willams ya he isn't showing much so far from I can tell ... too small IMO for a TE anyways. Bush bleh ... Neal not sure I was rooting for him last year but maybe this year he'll be injury free.

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11 years ago
I find all of those players speculated upon to be in real trouble to make this roster.

Kuhn you can see, with his advancing age, higher salary, diminishing effectiveness as a lead blocker.

Bush you can see, as he is climbing up there in age as well, and has proven to offer little in the secondary on a consistent basis. He has stayed on this team by being a STs star. He may be the toughest call to make here.

Neal, I find his being in this mix pretty interesting. You have to figure, he was busted on a drug suspension for PEDs. Now, he comes in at a far lower weight. Maybe they are in fact thinking that this player is not what was advertised on draft day 3 years ago. That is entirely possible, and I had not previously considered that. The opposite could be true, however, that they really like him and that he may be one of the DL locks, with what should be some better speed. But, I have to admit his loss of mass had me a bit troubled, as we were looking to get bigger and faster on D. Maybe he is a lock on the DL, and maybe he is not...

Then again, maybe he becomes one of those players who fits the bigger/faster profile at a completely different position, OLB. There is so much going on with this guy. I hope he can make a great impact on improving this defense, however he is used.
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11 years ago

Kuhn had some of the best blocking in the drills (if not the best) - although maybe he can be replaced by mulligan and lacy for the short yardage play ... I dont take it that he is most likely out thou.

Willams ya he isn't showing much so far from I can tell ... too small IMO for a TE anyways. Bush bleh ... Neal not sure I was rooting for him last year but maybe this year he'll be injury free.

Originally Posted by: Dulak 



I think with Mulligan, reports have been extremely positive regarding his blocking. Figure with roster spots being a real premium, Kuhn could very easily find himself on the outs. I like Kuhn, but I don't think he has been as effective at both running and blocking the last year or so as he once had been. I know what you are saying Dulak. He does bring a great veteran presence amongst the other points you mention, and is super tight with Rodgers too. This will be a really close call.
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Bush you can see, as he is climbing up there in age as well, and has proven to offer little in the secondary on a consistent basis. He has stayed on this team by being a STs star. He may be the toughest call to make here.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



I find it interesting that for years people, not just you p2w, say Bush only excels on STs and therefore may lose his job. And yet no one says this guy excels only on offense or only on defense so he may lose his job. We hear Ted and Mike repeatedly stat they have 3 teams, offense, defense AND special teams and they weigh each of them the same in value. (Now it may not really be true but that is what they say publicly.) It is huge when Bush gets down field and can down the punt at the 3, 5 or 10 yard line. It is equally valuable when he takes on two blockers and frees up someone else to get down field and make the play. We love it when Raji or Pick take on two blockers and then allow someone else to make the play the same needs to0 be given to the CB everyone loves to hate because he is not that great of a cb.

IF they have someone younger who can do what Bush does he could be gone. Keep in mind it takes more than blinding speed to fight your way down field while getting mugged by two guys. Someone younger and faster may not have the savvy that Bush has shown.

If all Bush does is excel in ST then he will stay on the team.
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I find it interesting that for years people, not just you p2w, say Bush only excels on STs and therefore may lose his job. And yet no one says this guy excels only on offense or only on defense so he may lose his job. We hear Ted and Mike repeatedly stat they have 3 teams, offense, defense AND special teams and they weigh each of them the same in value. (Now it may not really be true but that is what they say publicly.) It is huge when Bush gets down field and can down the punt at the 3, 5 or 10 yard line. It is equally valuable when he takes on two blockers and frees up someone else to get down field and make the play. We love it when Raji or Pick take on two blockers and then allow someone else to make the play the same needs to0 be given to the CB everyone loves to hate because he is not that great of a cb.

IF they have someone younger who can do what Bush does he could be gone. Keep in mind it takes more than blinding speed to fight your way down field while getting mugged by two guys. Someone younger and faster may not have the savvy that Bush has shown.

If all Bush does is excel in ST then he will stay on the team.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Well then ... no more dumb penalties from him and no more playing secondary ;)
then he can stay

to go along with what you said wpr - I started to pipe down about bush as last season got underway; seeing him gun it down to the 1-10 yardline to down some balls down there.


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11 years ago

I find it interesting that for years people, not just you p2w, say Bush only excels on STs and therefore may lose his job. And yet no one says this guy excels only on offense or only on defense so he may lose his job. We hear Ted and Mike repeatedly stat they have 3 teams, offense, defense AND special teams and they weigh each of them the same in value. (Now it may not really be true but that is what they say publicly.) It is huge when Bush gets down field and can down the punt at the 3, 5 or 10 yard line. It is equally valuable when he takes on two blockers and frees up someone else to get down field and make the play. We love it when Raji or Pick take on two blockers and then allow someone else to make the play the same needs to0 be given to the CB everyone loves to hate because he is not that great of a cb.

IF they have someone younger who can do what Bush does he could be gone. Keep in mind it takes more than blinding speed to fight your way down field while getting mugged by two guys. Someone younger and faster may not have the savvy that Bush has shown.

If all Bush does is excel in ST then he will stay on the team.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Oh, wpr, I totally agree. Completely. I was not trying to slight him, just looking at his comprehensive value to the team by being a contributor both on D and STs. He made an INT in the Superbowl!!! The guy had never been a stalwart defender in the secondary, whether it be at S or CB, but he has indeed been serviceable when called upon in a backup role. He is a veteran, and indeed a star on STs.

He made a bunch of gaffes at CB his first few seasons in GB, but seems to have gotten better. My meaning was that he never broke through to win a starting position back there. For whatever reason.
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11 years ago
Kuhn will stay, the only other player that knows the offense better than Kuhn on this team is Rodgers.

Neal.... Come on that's crazy. He's got way to much versatility now, and pass rush ability to be let go.

Williams will probably end up making this team again... I mean who is better than him? Taylor? Quarless? Bostick? Stoneburner? None of them has proved to me yet that they are a better candidate than Williams. He actually didn't have a bad game last Friday, except for those drops. The way I see the TEs going out is: Finley, Williams, Mulligan, Quarless. Taylor/Quarless and Bostick are gonna fight for that last spot.

Bush is the most likely for me to get cut. I think it's time to move on, unless theres nothing behind the 3 safteys or if House stinks it up even more. Ecspecially with Nixon, Smith, and Means catching on.
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Oh, wpr, I totally agree. Completely. I was not trying to slight him, just looking at his comprehensive value to the team by being a contributor both on D and STs. He made an INT in the Superbowl!!! The guy had never been a stalwart defender in the secondary, whether it be at S or CB, but he has indeed been serviceable when called upon in a backup role. He is a veteran, and indeed a star on STs.

He made a bunch of gaffes at CB his first few seasons in GB, but seems to have gotten better. My meaning was that he never broke through to win a starting position back there. For whatever reason.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Naw it wasn't directed at you Play. I was just speaking out loud so to speak. Bush and Taylor have been two of the better ST players the last few years and for some fans it doesn't mean anything. Unless the player is the punter, kicker or return man they are useless parts taking up space on the 53 man roster and can be exchanged for anyone at anytime.
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11 years ago

Well then ... no more dumb penalties from him and no more playing secondary ;)
then he can stay

to go along with what you said wpr - I started to pipe down about bush as last season got underway; seeing him gun it down to the 1-10 yardline to down some balls down there.


Originally Posted by: Dulak 



That's just BULLSHIT!!!! You can't get over JB's 1st few years with The Packers when he did have penalties called on him and he wasn't very good at Corner.

I suggest you take a look again at the Cardinal game last week, one of the guys who did his job very well was Jarret Bush.

He's never going to be a lockdown guy, but he is still better than a rookie with "all the potential in the world" running around not knowing what his assignment is.

Im' gonna make one statement, if all the veteran players get let go and the only VET left standing is Aaron Rodgers, then The Packers are in real trouble.

How many damn years do we have to go through watching a bunch of kids try to learn to play the game as it effects the outcome of the season as a whole.

Teams Need Veteran Leadership to be successful.

Tha Packers have already lost too much from last year.
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11 years ago

That's just BULLSHIT!!!! You can't get over JB's 1st few years with The Packers when he did have penalties called on him and he wasn't very good at Corner.

I suggest you take a look again at the Cardinal game last week, one of the guys who did his job very well was Jarret Bush.

He's never going to be a lockdown guy, but he is still better than a rookie with "all the potential in the world" running around not knowing what his assignment is.

Im' gonna make one statement, if all the veteran players get let go and the only VET left standing is Aaron Rodgers, then The Packers are in real trouble.

How many damn years do we have to go through watching a bunch of kids try to learn to play the game as it effects the outcome of the season as a whole.

Teams Need Veteran Leadership to be successful.

Tha Packers have already lost too much from last year.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Who would you keep Kuhn or Bush? I'd choose Kuhn.

It depends how you look at it. There would be still a lot of Vet Leadership, Sitton, Lang, James Jones, Nelson, Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Tramon Williams, Morgan Burnett, Clay, Raji, Pickett, even Cobb is taking the Leadership role now.

Bush is expendable. So is Kuhn. But I'd take a lot at keeping Bush with these young corners we have coming on. Only way I see us keeping him is if no safteys show up to make the team behind the 3 locks at Saftey. But that's just my opinion.
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Who would you keep Kuhn or Bush? I'd choose Kuhn.

It depends how you look at it. There would be still a lot of Vet Leadership, Sitton, Lang, James Jones, Nelson, Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Tramon Williams, Morgan Burnett, Clay, Raji, Pickett, even Cobb is taking the Leadership role now.

Bush is expendable. So is Kuhn. But I'd take a lot at keeping Bush with these young corners we have coming on. Only way I see us keeping him is if no safteys show up to make the team behind the 3 locks at Saftey. But that's just my opinion.

Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon 



I love Kuhn. Had him as my avatar last season. If these are the 2 guys fighting for #53 I take Bush in a heart beat. There are 3-4-5 guys who can do Kuhn's job and do it as well as he can. At this point there is no one who can do Bush's job with his reliability. At least no one that we as fans have seen. Someone may be doing it in practice but we don't have all the access that Mike and Uncle Ted have.
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11 years ago
I could not agree more wpr. Bush has been a complete rock for us on STs, and that unit is super important.
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11 years ago
I hope Kuhn is gone,

Or we at least find a way to hold on to Amosa, maybe dump a TE

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11 years ago

I love Kuhn. Had him as my avatar last season. If these are the 2 guys fighting for #53 I take Bush in a heart beat. There are 3-4-5 guys who can do Kuhn's job and do it as well as he can. At this point there is no one who can do Bush's job with his reliability. At least no one that we as fans have seen. Someone may be doing it in practice but we don't have all the access that Mike and Uncle Ted have.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



It could very well come down to that.

At the end of the day it's special teams ace vs pass protection.

Kuhn can certainly play special teams, and he's probably our best pass pro back on the team.

Honestly if Kuhn just plays his natural FB position this year, he could be better. Not worrying about running the ball, just as a lead blocker. Imo if we wanna be better at running the ball, we need to retain him for at least this year. He knows the offense like the back of his hand to, he is more valuable as a fullback to this team than most think.

My take on Bush is he has been healthy all his career, always making plays on ST's, and he can tackle. And he's ok as a slot/dime corner.

He can also be easily replaced on special teams, but the tough thing when deciding to cut him is his experience.

I bet we keep them both. If one of them gets cut though, it's gonna be a tough cut.
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11 years ago

I hope Kuhn is gone,

Or we at least find a way to hold on to Amosa, maybe dump a TE

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar 



Amosa over Kuhn? No..

If he makes the PS that's fine with me.
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11 years ago
I wouldn't be surprised to see DJ Williams and Quarless gone. Neither have shown very much from scrimmage in any games and neither is as good on special teams as Taylor and Kuhn are.
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I don't have any list. But, ISTM...

When one is speculating about the final cuts, you need to distinguish between those on the roster who are going to be on the game day roster and those "of sufficient potential" that they can fill in on the game day roster because of injuries to someone in the top 45.

Bush is not in the latter group. He is what he is at this point. He's not a bad DB, but he's nothing special. He's going to make the team, if he makes the team, because he can perform on special teams to a very high level. But the team isn't going to keep a special teamer unless he's active-on-game-day quality. Bush will make the team if MM sees him as in the 45, not just in the 53.

So my question is this: who are the 8 likely inactives in week 1? And who is Bush competing against for that 45th spot.?

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