Four Packers Veterans who Could be Surprise Cuts this Year· Page 2

wpr
Preferred Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

Oh, wpr, I totally agree. Completely. I was not trying to slight him, just looking at his comprehensive value to the team by being a contributor both on D and STs. He made an INT in the Superbowl!!! The guy had never been a stalwart defender in the secondary, whether it be at S or CB, but he has indeed been serviceable when called upon in a backup role. He is a veteran, and indeed a star on STs.

He made a bunch of gaffes at CB his first few seasons in GB, but seems to have gotten better. My meaning was that he never broke through to win a starting position back there. For whatever reason.

Originally Posted by: play2win

Naw it wasn't directed at you Play. I was just speaking out loud so to speak. Bush and Taylor have been two of the better ST players the last few years and for some fans it doesn't mean anything. Unless the player is the punter, kicker or return man they are useless parts taking up space on the 53 man roster and can be exchanged for anyone at anytime.

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#12

Well then ... no more dumb penalties from him and no more playing secondary ;)
then he can stay

to go along with what you said wpr - I started to pipe down about bush as last season got underway; seeing him gun it down to the 1-10 yardline to down some balls down there.

Originally Posted by: Dulak

That's just BULLSHIT!!!! You can't get over JB's 1st few years with The Packers when he did have penalties called on him and he wasn't very good at Corner.

I suggest you take a look again at the Cardinal game last week, one of the guys who did his job very well was Jarret Bush.

He's never going to be a lockdown guy, but he is still better than a rookie with "all the potential in the world" running around not knowing what his assignment is.

Im' gonna make one statement, if all the veteran players get let go and the only VET left standing is Aaron Rodgers, then The Packers are in real trouble.

How many damn years do we have to go through watching a bunch of kids try to learn to play the game as it effects the outcome of the season as a whole.

Teams Need Veteran Leadership to be successful.

Tha Packers have already lost too much from last year.

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Gaycandybacon
Member

11 years ago

#13

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

Who would you keep Kuhn or Bush? I'd choose Kuhn.

It depends how you look at it. There would be still a lot of Vet Leadership, Sitton, Lang, James Jones, Nelson, Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Tramon Williams, Morgan Burnett, Clay, Raji, Pickett, even Cobb is taking the Leadership role now.

Bush is expendable. So is Kuhn. But I'd take a lot at keeping Bush with these young corners we have coming on. Only way I see us keeping him is if no safteys show up to make the team behind the 3 locks at Saftey. But that's just my opinion.

wpr
Preferred Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon

I love Kuhn. Had him as my avatar last season. If these are the 2 guys fighting for #53 I take Bush in a heart beat. There are 3-4-5 guys who can do Kuhn's job and do it as well as he can. At this point there is no one who can do Bush's job with his reliability. At least no one that we as fans have seen. Someone may be doing it in practice but we don't have all the access that Mike and Uncle Ted have.

play2win
Senior Member

11 years ago

#15

I could not agree more wpr. Bush has been a complete rock for us on STs, and that unit is super important.

Laser Gunns
Senior Member

11 years ago

#16

I hope Kuhn is gone,

Or we at least find a way to hold on to Amosa, maybe dump a TE

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Gaycandybacon
Member

11 years ago

#17

I love Kuhn. Had him as my avatar last season. If these are the 2 guys fighting for #53 I take Bush in a heart beat. There are 3-4-5 guys who can do Kuhn's job and do it as well as he can. At this point there is no one who can do Bush's job with his reliability. At least no one that we as fans have seen. Someone may be doing it in practice but we don't have all the access that Mike and Uncle Ted have.

Originally Posted by: wpr

It could very well come down to that.

At the end of the day it's special teams ace vs pass protection.

Kuhn can certainly play special teams, and he's probably our best pass pro back on the team.

Honestly if Kuhn just plays his natural FB position this year, he could be better. Not worrying about running the ball, just as a lead blocker. Imo if we wanna be better at running the ball, we need to retain him for at least this year. He knows the offense like the back of his hand to, he is more valuable as a fullback to this team than most think.

My take on Bush is he has been healthy all his career, always making plays on ST's, and he can tackle. And he's ok as a slot/dime corner.

He can also be easily replaced on special teams, but the tough thing when deciding to cut him is his experience.

I bet we keep them both. If one of them gets cut though, it's gonna be a tough cut.

Gaycandybacon
Member

11 years ago

#18

I hope Kuhn is gone,

Or we at least find a way to hold on to Amosa, maybe dump a TE

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar

Amosa over Kuhn? No..

If he makes the PS that's fine with me.

steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#19

I wouldn't be surprised to see DJ Williams and Quarless gone. Neither have shown very much from scrimmage in any games and neither is as good on special teams as Taylor and Kuhn are.

Wade
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#20

I don't have any list. But, ISTM...

When one is speculating about the final cuts, you need to distinguish between those on the roster who are going to be on the game day roster and those "of sufficient potential" that they can fill in on the game day roster because of injuries to someone in the top 45.

Bush is not in the latter group. He is what he is at this point. He's not a bad DB, but he's nothing special. He's going to make the team, if he makes the team, because he can perform on special teams to a very high level. But the team isn't going to keep a special teamer unless he's active-on-game-day quality. Bush will make the team if Mike McCarthy sees him as in the 45, not just in the 53.

So my question is this: who are the 8 likely inactives in week 1? And who is Bush competing against for that 45th spot.?

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