MintBaconDrivel
12 years ago

Green Bay --- The most surprising move of free agency for the Packers? That'd be the cap-conscious Ted Thompson shelling out $11.25 million over three years to Brad Jones.

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Dulak
12 years ago

Green Bay --- The most surprising move of free agency for the Packers? That'd be the cap-conscious Ted Thompson shelling out $11.25 million over three years to Brad Jones

Originally Posted by: MintBaconDrivel 



you can say that again ... seems like I got a 'correcting' here when I said brad jones sucks ... my feeling is ... is this the best that is out there? Really!?

nerdmann
12 years ago

you can say that again ... seems like I got a 'correcting' here when I said brad jones sucks ... my feeling is ... is this the best that is out there? Really!?

Originally Posted by: Dulak 



Manning's probably better. But he has to prove that.

We need ILBs who can cover. Keep in mind that Jones also provides versatility in that he can also get it done at OLB. Our staff loves versatility. ST too.

The ILB situation will only be 'awkward' if our guys can't make plays.
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Dulak
12 years ago

Manning's probably better. But he has to prove that.

We need ILBs who can cover. Keep in mind that Jones also provides versatility in that he can also get it done at OLB. Our staff loves versatility. ST too.

The ILB situation will only be 'awkward' if our guys can't make plays.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



ya that's what I noticed - X player might be Great but if he cant play ST or play other positions then he is out ... I kind of wonder if that's why woodson is out - couldn't play ST so we don't need him as much?

another example - mean while a guy whom we havnt liked for the longest time - jarred bush at corner but can play ST (and actually last year did very well at it) has kept his job.
buckeyepackfan
12 years ago
Let's just cut to the chase.

Very few on this forum are going to be happy until Hawk and now Jones are gone.

I really hope that at least 2 of these "young and full of potential" lbr's FJNALLY step up and prove they can actually stay on the field and play better than Hawk and Jones.

Some of you take the absolute worst defensive performances of the year and use those performance as the "norm".

Would it surprise anybody to know that besides Gore and Peterson, no other rb gained 100 yds against The Packers D last year in the regular season?

There is improvements to be made this year, but ILB is not at the top of that list.

!. The addition of Datone Jones on the D-line.
2. The fact that Raji is in a contract year(which tend to make a player play to his full potential).
3. All those rookies who were forced to play on defense last year will show the year1 to 2 jump in maturation and improvement

These things happen and you are going to see a much better Packer D.

I really hope the a lot of these "young guys" take a look at just how Bush has stayed a member of The Packers going on his 7th year.
A guy with limited talents who found his niche.

Now he is considered one of the best ST players in the league, oh btw, there are a lot of players who should take tackling lessons from Jarret Bush, his cover skills may be limited, but he has proven when needed he can contribute as a nickle or dime back.

4 years ago it was Ryan Grant who needed to be replaced, he couldn't hit the hole fast enough, he runs into the pile, he can't break the big run, yet all he did was give The Packers a top 10 (or was it top 5?) rb until he was injured.

I'll say it now, like I did then, "be careful what you ask for".
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Gaycandybacon
12 years ago
I'm confused.. I thought Brad Jones played really good for NEVER playing inside linebacker for the Packers till this year. Hell I like him better than Hawk cause he can cover better than him.

What MLB than him played better than him, tell me, who? Hawk? D.J. Smith? Francois?

I don't know why it's surprising that we signed him to that contract. In which doesn't look that bad tbh. I think he earned it last season.
DakotaT
12 years ago
Brad Jones is the replacement for the role Brandon Chillar use to play for us. I remember a few years back, people were upset that Hawk was standing on the sidelines and Chillar was in there with Nick Barnnett. I really think all three guys are overpaid, but I guess it's the going rate for starting linebackers. Our inside guys are sure a long way from what San Francisco has.
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Dexter_Sinister
12 years ago

Let's just cut to the chase.

Very few on this forum are going to be happy until Hawk and now Jones are gone.

I really hope that at least 2 of these "young and full of potential" lbr's FJNALLY step up and prove they can actually stay on the field and play better than Hawk and Jones.

Some of you take the absolute worst defensive performances of the year and use those performance as the "norm".

Would it surprise anybody to know that besides Gore and Peterson, no other rb gained 100 yds against The Packers D last year in the regular season?

There is improvements to be made this year, but ILB is not at the top of that list.

!. The addition of Datone Jones on the D-line.
2. The fact that Raji is in a contract year(which tend to make a player play to his full potential).
3. All those rookies who were forced to play on defense last year will show the year1 to 2 jump in maturation and improvement

These things happen and you are going to see a much better Packer D.

I really hope the a lot of these "young guys" take a look at just how Bush has stayed a member of The Packers going on his 7th year.
A guy with limited talents who found his niche.

Now he is considered one of the best ST players in the league, oh btw, there are a lot of players who should take tackling lessons from Jarret Bush, his cover skills may be limited, but he has proven when needed he can contribute as a nickle or dime back.

4 years ago it was Ryan Grant who needed to be replaced, he couldn't hit the hole fast enough, he runs into the pile, he can't break the big run, yet all he did was give The Packers a top 10 (or was it top 5?) rb until he was injured.

I'll say it now, like I did then, "be careful what you ask for".

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Bishop was the Packers worst pass defender in '11. Other than Williams who was playing with one arm. Regardless of what people think of Hawk's coverage, he was not bad for any defensive position. For a linebacker, he was pretty solid.

Hawk lead the team in tackles for a loss and was second in solo tackles, so the myth of giving up yards or just piling on, is really not true.

The Packers pass D went from 10th in passer rating allowed with Bishop in 2011 to 5th without him in 2012.

I am pretty sure the Packers are not as convinced as some fans that Hawk sucks and Bishop farts gold dust.

But that is just my opinion.


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beast
12 years ago

ya that's what I noticed - X player might be Great but if he cant play ST or play other positions then he is out ... I kind of wonder if that's why woodson is out - couldn't play ST so we don't need him as much?

another example - mean while a guy whom we havnt liked for the longest time - jarred bush at corner but can play ST (and actually last year did very well at it) has kept his job.

Originally Posted by: dulak 



You think Woodson got cut because he couldn't play STs? Really it probably had to do more with money, Woodson declining play and they got up and comers the Packers really like at the DB spots.

Woodson got cut because of his $10 million contract plus, he's didn't fit in at CB any more (I'm guessing because he's losing speed) and didn't fit great at Safety (based on the Packers actions). I mean Woodson said he was healthy way before the playoffs but that the Packers were keeping him out, and didn't let him come back until the playoffs. They liked Jennings and McMillian and were getting ready for this year.

Bush on the other hand is only getting $1.35 Million and while he's only good at STs, he's the best the Packers have at gunner and while a lot of people thinking a gunner should be easy it's harder for a lot of guys than you'd think. Bush is surprising good at beating the press and even beating double teams which the Bears and some other teams have loved to do over the years.
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