I know its a different sport but look back at the Jordon Bulls, sure he had Pippen but if you know at all that Pippen wasn't much without MJ. The Bulls won there Championships with alot of cast away players, but they raised there play when they were with MJ on the court. I'm just bringing this up to show that the intangibles do make a difference.

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you, mr. drivel are a very intelligent poster. 😃

Why, thank you, Ms. 4Pack. The tip jar is over there on the counter. :downtown:

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Good sweet lord, this is so old.

I don't know if this is an instance of some fans coming out of the woodwork to grind the old axe just a little more on the offseason fiasco, or it's actually the Packers fanbase just falling apart and eating itself, or what, but it's embarrasing.

I will go ahead and allow that in two-to-three games Favre's leadership and experience might have made a difference. So we might be closer to making the playoffs instead of mathmatically eliminated at this point.

But: dude doesn't play defense, and if there's one area where this team has clearly fallen apart, that's it.

It's frustrating, and it's disappointing. Nobody likes to lose. But seriously? You're going to pin this on Rodgers? AND, since you can't point to poor performance or statistics you're going to stretch out and say it's 'intangibles'? You people are hilarious.

I used to think folks like Packnic and Trom were overly harsh, but now I agree with them completely; reading this forum lately is a whole lot like listening to the Minnesota fans (you know, the ones you all deride as bandwagoneers) when the Vikings have a down season. "Fire *insert name of guy you were lauding just 6 months ago*!" "OMG, Aaron's a bust and doesn't have what it takes!" "Someone catch me when I jump!"

I'm going to call it right now, and if I'm wrong I assure you I'll own it: This team will be markedly better next year. I see a situation much like Carolina's last season; key injuries and crappy luck have broken this team down, but most if not all of the pieces are in place. If Thompson does his job (and yeah, I said "if" -- he's got a lot to prove this offseason) we could easily be a real force next season. And I think we will be, even without Brett Favre and his intangibles.

And with that, I'll leave this place to DH, Jacko, and the rest of the guys who've been so ardently waiting to stroll on in and laugh at the "crappy" Packers team they claim to root for.

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More than that, MassPackFan, Favre threw a game-losing interception in every single one of the Packers 8 losses in 2006. Unless I am sorely mistaken, I do not believe the the same can be said for Rodgers this year.

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I was sitting in the "second room" at the vets office last night, waiting to pick up Max. (He is still mad at me for having to spend the weekend there).

On one of the end tables was (I think) a "Field and Stream". Everyone knows what to do with a "Field and Stream". You go to the back page, and this is what I did. The author instantly had my close attention, because he was writing about white perch fishing on the Potomac river. (Homie thing, and something I have done in the environs of which he spoke)

Of course being in the second waiting room I was afforded the opportunity to read the whole article, and as anyone that has read the back page of this publication will attest, it has little to do with the fishing and a lot to do with life in general.

Something rather funny (amazing how the humor assists in the comprehension) struck me in that article. The author was describing his previous 4 attempts at white perch fishing on these stomping grounds, and his failures in those attempts, coupled with his complete success on this, his fifth "trip" there.

He said, "...this is the thing I have learned about luck." "It is absolutely indistinguishable from failure right up to the exact moment that you have it."

I liked that statement. I'm contemplating if he was even talking about luck.

:icon_smile:

A team with a Defense like ours has no chance of winning the superbowl and a very rare chance of making the playoffs. It doesn't matter who your quarterback is. Is that a hard thing to admit?

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heres an amazing theory

the packers are 5-9 because as a TEAM they couldnt get it done

Here is another amazing thing


I would like solid evidence that Brett would have gave us a better record

It's coincidental. And due to changes and circumstances unique to both teams (e.g. one team broke the bank to compile a damn good OL and acquire a DT who ruins a run game on his own account, and the other team picked up a pretty good OLB and drafted a bunch of meh-to-pretty good players - seriously, I'm not giving Ted a pass on this season, I just don't think the Favre situation is the problem), but mostly coincidental.

Did you see the Dolphins and Falcons competing for playoff spots in week 16? Did anyone?

Coincidental.

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The fact of the matter is, in a league with this much parity, everything is an anomaly, and therefore nothing is. Games and entire seasons can hinge on the smallest or most random of things.

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