Zero2Cool
15 years ago

Rodgers has played well, but absence of Favre's quiet leadership has hurt the Packers more than some in the organization admit

[img_r]http://media.jsonline.com/images/199*145/brett1213081.jpg[/img_r]Green Bay - By any measure, the Green Bay Packers' season has been a disappointment, a boiling mixture of unfulfilled potential, missed opportunity and chronic late-game failures.

Something has been missing from a team that 11 months ago was a field goal away from playing in the Super Bowl. The Packers have been in every game but one this season and yet they have lacked the spark or the confidence or whatever it is that they had last year that got them over the hump in so many close games.

It's easy to pass their 5-8 record off on injuries or misfortune or youth.

But what if the missing ingredient is Brett Favre? Not the touchdown passes, yards and interceptions he contributed; rather the aura, unspoken leadership and broad shoulders he provided for a team learning to win again.

For 16 years, he was the face of the organization, and when he had the ball in his hands with the game on the line, the atmosphere was electric whether it was home or away. Was he going to pull off a come-from-behind miracle or was he going to throw one of those bone-headed interceptions?

Either way, the focus was on him, and his teammates' job - perceived or otherwise - was to be there when he needed them. It didn't matter if you played on offense or defense, you didn't want to be the guy who let him down.

"He was a leader to us also," cornerback Jarrett Bush said of the defense. "He's Brett Favre. That's saying enough right there. We tried to play at his level. We did that for the most part. I don't know if there's a void (now). We've just got to adapt. He's not here anymore, 'OK, we have to find a way to win.' "

As Favre said in his retirement news conference in March, it was getting harder for him to carry the weight of expectation on his shoulders, so it was only logical to wonder how the burden would be spread when he left. Players like him only come around once a generation, and to think that his successor, Aaron Rodgers, without a single start under his belt, would be able to fill the void was a pipedream.

On the field, Rodgers has about matched Favre's statistical output from last season, showing the potential to be a great quarterback for years to come. But Rodgers hasn't even been close to providing the same presence. The Packers have had an opportunity to win in the final minutes of six games this season, and they have failed to pull it out each time.

By comparison, in Favre's first extended action with the Packers, he led the team to a dramatic come-from-behind victory over the Cincinnati Bengals with a 35-yard pass to Kittrick Taylor with 13 seconds left. The following year, he erased a dismal 24-interception season with one 40-yard, last-minute miracle touchdown throw to Sterling Sharpe against Detroit in the playoffs.

There is no stamp of credibility like success, and Favre had plenty of it right from the start. Rodgers has tried to assume a leadership role, but he doesn't have the body of work Favre did to back up his efforts. He said he has tried to be a leader, but he needs help.

"Our good players need to have the confidence, and maybe it takes somebody saying something, maybe it takes a coach," Rodgers said last week. "I'm not really sure what it is. It's a different dynamic than any other team I've been on. It's been interesting to watch and also be a part of it.

"But guys have to realize they have an opportunity to lead. I don't know what they want from me all the time. I'm trying to be the best leader I can. I'm trying to lead by example, which I think is the most important thing a leader can do. But other guys need to make the most of their leadership opportunities as well."

The biggest mistake general manager Ted Thompson might have made in constructing this team was to underestimate how Favre's presence would be missed around the organization. Thompson's decision to go young again left the team with only a handful of veterans to assume leadership roles.

One of those players, long-snapper Rob Davis, eventually was let go also. In a Journal Sentinel poll last year that asked players to select the team's best leaders, Favre was first and Davis was second. Davis was retained as player programs director, but he's not in uniform on game day and doesn't have a locker.

Instead of adding a few grizzled veterans who might have helped in the transition, Thompson, who did not return a phone message left with him last week, signed no player with more than four years experience. As a result, the Packers were the youngest team in the NFL on opening day for the third straight year. Just before the trading deadline he had one last chance to add a player with tremendous credibility, but he passed on paying a premium price for Kansas City tight end Tony Gonzalez.

The veterans left to carry the weight had acquiesced to Favre in the past and probably were as unsure as the younger players what their leadership role should be this year. How many times this season have you seen a defensive player gather his mates on the sideline and demand accountability? Who, other than Rodgers early last week, has stood up and publicly urged his teammates to look in the mirror and make sure they're being honest with themselves?

It just hasn't happened.

"I think there is a transition period," Rodgers said of Favre leaving. "I think guys need to give more of themselves. They need to realize there's an opportunity to be a leader. Before, there might not have been that opportunity (because of Favre). But it's not about one person; it's about everybody in here picking up the slack."

Leadership is not easily quantifiable. Ask just about any player in the Packers locker room and he'll tell you that Favre rarely spoke to the team. In his latter years, he wasn't even in the locker room that much.

In his late 30s, Favre had little in common with a bunch of first-, second- and third-year players. But on Sundays, that changed, and he drew the attention of every television camera, photographer's lens and pair of eyes in the stadium. It didn't mean he came through all the time, but there was an air of confidence with him in charge.

"I think one thing you have to understand, Brett never spoke," receiver Donald Driver said. "He was never one of those guys who was verbal. He just played. That's how he led. I think that's how some guys think that's their leadership. That was 4. He never said anything to guys. He just went out there and played. Guys, they looked at it and said that's how they're going to perform."

When he took over a dismal 4-12 team at the end of the 1991 season, former Packers general manager Ron Wolf began retooling the roster with a keen eye on locker room chemistry. He and coach Mike Holmgren avoided character risks until they had built a team with players who could police those questionable ones.

Critical to it all was finding players the others could follow.

"You want real leaders to emerge on offense and on defense," Wolf said. "We had that with Favre and (LeRoy) Butler. It really helps when the quarterback is the leader. For us, Favre was a leader. And Butler, besides being a very good player, was really a leader.

"I think it's important that the leader of your team be a leader in the locker room, that they listen to him at the critical time. As Brett got better and better his play spoke for him. I think there's a respect there for what a guy is."

When Reggie White joined the team in 1993, the team gained another veteran leader. Within a year or two, Favre started to exert his leadership more and before long the Packers had a locker room full of veterans capable of pulling rank whenever necessary.

"Reggie was one of those guys who was vocal, but he got it done on the field, too," said former Packers defensive end Vonnie Holliday, who was drafted in 1998 and played one season with White. "It was an incredible opportunity to have that tutelage.

"When he left, there were other leaders still there. I looked at Dorsey Levens as a leader. There were older guys around, guys like Frank Winters. I don't think it was the same situation as Brett leaving and you're left with a young team."

Holliday said his current Miami Dolphins team changed overnight when veteran quarterback Chad Pennington was brought in. He said a young offense that was unsure of itself suddenly had someone with experience, knowledge and a solid work ethic to follow.

"That's something our young offense needed," Holliday said. "It's the reason they're playing so well."

Not every player in the locker room agrees that the absence of Favre has left a leadership void. Some think the close losses come down to performance, not the fact there is a first-year starter at quarterback or a majority of young players on the roster.

They point to Mark Tauscher, Charles Woodson, Aaron Kampman and Driver as leaders they turn to. None is considered a vocal leader but speaks with his performance and dedication.

"To say one guy could change what's going on, I don't think you can say that," receiver Ruvell Martin said. "I was here in 2005. We were 4-12 and Brett was here then. We're all professionals. Everybody leads. It's more of a team spirit."

Maybe so, but it's hard to argue that something hasn't been missing from this team. The way it looks now, there will be plenty of time during the off-season to figure out whether it was Favre's leadership.


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vikesrule
15 years ago
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
This article is a spin-job from hell. For one thing, the headline states as fact ("Rodgers has played well, but absence of Favre's quiet leadership has hurt the Packers more than some in the organization admit") something that is only actually asked as a "What-if" question in the article: "But what if the missing ingredient is Brett Favre?"

This sounds like the question the serpent asked Eve: "Has God really said you shall not eat of any tree in the garden?" Ugh.

Let's add some half-truths into the mix too:

"He was a leader to us also," cornerback Jarrett Bush said of the defense. "He's Brett Favre. That's saying enough right there. We tried to play at his level. We did that for the most part. I don't know if there's a void (now). We've just got to adapt. He's not here anymore, 'OK, we have to find a way to win.' "



Wait, this strikes me as half a quote, and a self-serving half at that. Did Bush go onto say they no longer try to play to that level? And when did he say this? And if Bush really did say that, he seriously needs to shut the fuck up and do his talking on the field.

How about some vague innuendo? "Thompson, who did not return a phone message left with him last week." What's the point of this line? Is he trying to insinuate that Thompson must be nefarious because he doesn't return phone calls? Since when is a general manager, who we all know is currently on the road evaluating talent, obligated to return all phone calls to a hack reporter trying to make a name for himself by crucifying him? I love the way he just leaves that line hanging out there, leaving his readers to draw the worst conclusions.

How about some more vague innuendo?

"I think one thing you have to understand, Brett never spoke," receiver Donald Driver said. "He was never one of those guys who was verbal. He just played. That's how he led. I think that's how some guys think that's their leadership. That was 4. He never said anything to guys. He just went out there and played. Guys, they looked at it and said that's how they're going to perform."



Gotta love that quote, sitting out there all by itself. Is Driver really saying that Rodgers doesn't provide that, as the author would have us conclude, or was there more to that statement the author conveniently leaves out?

Oh, and while we're at it, why don't we finish with a snide swipe at one of the receivers who happens to disagree with the author's thesis.

"To say one guy could change what's going on, I don't think you can say that," receiver Ruvell Martin said. "I was here in 2005. We were 4-12 and Brett was here then. We're all professionals. Everybody leads. It's more of a team spirit."



"Maybe so, but . . ." the author sneers, despite the fact that Martin points out an unimpeachable FACT.

Asswipe.
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NormaL
15 years ago
Read the first couple lines then thought, Wrong section
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You want to finish your career here?
Favre: "Definitely. If in two years, say, they want to trade me, I'd probably walk away. Retire."
dfosterf
15 years ago

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"vikesrule" wrote:



You have the best delivery. I stole your popcorn, too. (ppo)


I swear you make me laugh so hard sometimes.
Greg C.
15 years ago
Hey, nonstop: Remember that headlines are written by editors rather than the authors of the articles. So don't blame the headline on Silverstein.

I agree that the article is kind of sloppy, and that the quotes from Bush and Driver may have been taken out of context. I do think it's possible that Favre's leadership has been missed this season. The thing is, that leadership may have been missed even if Favre had come back. I thought he relinquished leadership of the Packers when he announced his retirement and did not change his mind until late June.

I also think that Favre was getting weary of being the leader of the Packers and that switching teams has given him some extra energy.
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dhpackr
15 years ago

I also think that Favre was getting weary of being the leader of the Packers and that switching teams has given him some extra energy.

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no, i completely disagree, I just feel brett loves to play football. He does not need to switch teams to give him anything, he plays hard and leads by example. Ted Thompson forcing him out of GB did not give favre extra energy.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago

I also think that Favre was getting weary of being the leader of the Packers and that switching teams has given him some extra energy.

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Greg, c'mon man, that's obvious, lol. He said that with far more words during his retirement speech. When he was talking about he couldn't live up to being Brett Favre anymore. ๐Ÿ™‚
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15 years ago
Yeah, it's on the QB. It's all about having a QB who throws for nearly as many INT's as TD's but has that enigmatic "leadership" quality that inspires his team to play out of their asses and make freak defensive plays for the win.

People are scrambling to explain a season that defies easy explanation. Why not just say "God did it" and leave the analysis to someone else.

News Flash. This team wouldn't be any better with Favre. It's on the defense and lines.
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RaiderPride
15 years ago

This article is a spin-job from hell. For one thing, the headline states as fact ("Rodgers has played well, but absence of Favre's quiet leadership has hurt the Packers more than some in the organization admit") something that is only actually asked as a "What-if" question in the article: "But what if the missing ingredient is Brett Favre?"

This sounds like the question the serpent asked Eve: "Has God really said you shall not eat of any tree in the garden?" Ugh.

Let's add some half-truths into the mix too:

"He was a leader to us also," cornerback Jarrett Bush said of the defense. "He's Brett Favre. That's saying enough right there. We tried to play at his level. We did that for the most part. I don't know if there's a void (now). We've just got to adapt. He's not here anymore, 'OK, we have to find a way to win.' "

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Wait, this strikes me as half a quote, and a self-serving half at that. Did Bush go onto say they no longer try to play to that level? And when did he say this? And if Bush really did say that, he seriously needs to shut the fuck up and do his talking on the field.

How about some vague innuendo? "Thompson, who did not return a phone message left with him last week." What's the point of this line? Is he trying to insinuate that Thompson must be nefarious because he doesn't return phone calls? Since when is a general manager, who we all know is currently on the road evaluating talent, obligated to return all phone calls to a hack reporter trying to make a name for himself by crucifying him? I love the way he just leaves that line hanging out there, leaving his readers to draw the worst conclusions.

How about some more vague innuendo?

"I think one thing you have to understand, Brett never spoke," receiver Donald Driver said. "He was never one of those guys who was verbal. He just played. That's how he led. I think that's how some guys think that's their leadership. That was 4. He never said anything to guys. He just went out there and played. Guys, they looked at it and said that's how they're going to perform."



Gotta love that quote, sitting out there all by itself. Is Driver really saying that Rodgers doesn't provide that, as the author would have us conclude, or was there more to that statement the author conveniently leaves out?

Oh, and while we're at it, why don't we finish with a snide swipe at one of the receivers who happens to disagree with the author's thesis.

"To say one guy could change what's going on, I don't think you can say that," receiver Ruvell Martin said. "I was here in 2005. We were 4-12 and Brett was here then. We're all professionals. Everybody leads. It's more of a team spirit."



"Maybe so, but . . ." the author sneers, despite the fact that Martin points out an unimpeachable FACT.

Asswipe.



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