play2win
12 years ago
One of my biggest fears in having a vaunted passing attack is that the OC becomes infatuated with using it, devising schemes to outsmart their opponent, almost (or often times) to a fault. The notion of being the offensive genius trumps good, sound football.

To me, the genius is the one who doesn't make the game more difficult than it needs to be and freaking pounds the football with a solid running game. That is smart football. Takes all the heat off your QB, opens things up for your WRs in play action, and is a reward to your OL to let them TEE OFF on the opposing defense... Most of the recent, and not so recent SB winners had that kind of balance and used it.
zombieslayer
12 years ago

One of my biggest fears in having a vaunted passing attack is that the OC becomes infatuated with using it, devising schemes to outsmart their opponent, almost (or often times) to a fault. The notion of being the offensive genius trumps good, sound football.

To me, the genius is the one who doesn't make the game more difficult than it needs to be and freaking pounds the football with a solid running game. That is smart football. Takes all the heat off your QB, opens things up for your WRs in play action, and is a reward to your OL to let them TEE OFF on the opposing defense... Most of the recent, and not so recent SB winners had that kind of balance and used it.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



I BEG to differ.

Last 2 SBs winners couldn't run the ball if their lives depended on it. They relied on their D to make stops and their QB to score points.
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Pack93z
12 years ago
Debating whether I want to wade in this pool of debate again.. or dive in? Wade.. wade it is.

Go back to the late 2010 season and look at the numbers that will disprove that we couldn't and didn't run the ball in that postseason.

Without out it.. winning either the Eagles or Bears game is not a lock.

Eagles game.. 32 rushes 138 yards.

Bears Game.. 32 rushes 120 yards on a cold track in which the passing game wasn't overly effective.

We could run when we needed to run.. drastic difference between last season and 2010.

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play2win
12 years ago

I BEG to differ.

Last 2 SBs winners couldn't run the ball if their lives depended on it. They relied on their D to make stops and their QB to score points.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



I BEG to differ back...

Both Bradshaw and Jacobs were fighting injuries last year. Both got healthy enough for the playoff run, teaming for 172 yds v. ATL, 92 v. GB, 85 v. SF. Jacobs had more carries in 2011 (152) than he did in 2010 (147), in only 14 games.

Ahmad Bradshaw had 171 attempts in only 12 games. In 2010 he had -276- for 1235 yds.

Grant and Starks had 134 and 133 attempts respectively last year. Huge difference.
Zero2Cool
12 years ago
The running game attributed to the Packers winning the Super Bowl in 2010. Do we forget how James Starks was the "savior" in a good deal of media's eyes? The running game opened up a lot for the Packers passing game. Control the line's of the game, you control the game.

Packers had a good run per carry average during the 2010 playoffs including the Super Bowl. I haven't checked the Giants, but they probably did too.
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yooperfan
12 years ago
I would ordinarily reiterate my years past statement "just run the damn ball" but unfortunately with the current talent and coaching staff the Green Bay Packers can't "run the damn ball".
So they are a one dimensional football team with a shitty defense that spends way too much time on the field because the offense can't control the clock or put other defenses off balance.

It is what it is so lets just line up, throw the ball and hope Aaron Rodgers has another unbelievable year.

Cedric Benson doesn't fit this team and Starks and Green have an injury bug so there it is.
Just throw the damn ball and hope for the best.
Pack93z
12 years ago


So they are a one dimensional football team with a shitty defense that spends way too much time on the field because the offense can't control the clock or put other defenses off balance.

It is what it is so lets just line up, throw the ball and hope Aaron Rodgers has another unbelievable year.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



:-k

The brutal nature of that is too depressing.. I rather go with this.. lol.

Unlike the over hype and sense of false confidence that we had going into the playoffs last season.. this season they got a early dose of truth burger rammed down their throats early.. with a bit of hot sauce to boot.

Yoop.. I hold out hope that it has hit home. And that change.. actual change will commence.

While we might be challenged to become a dominant defense in the near future, I think we some balance and ball control from the offense coupled with what we know is a elite passing game, we can assist the defense until they get some confidence and at least can set the tempo once in a while.

I watched the Ravens last night just to see it.. a team that can win in every facet of the game. Up til now, they lacked a QB that could complete them.. Flacco, much like Smith, has grown and excelled within the framework of the offense. And they destroyed a decent Bengals team. They tore the will out of the Bengals in the early third quarter.. it was an ass kicking from there. No comebacks.. the Bengals were whipped.
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zombieslayer
12 years ago

I BEG to differ back...

Both Bradshaw and Jacobs were fighting injuries last year. Both got healthy enough for the playoff run, teaming for 172 yds v. ATL, 92 v. GB, 85 v. SF. Jacobs had more carries in 2011 (152) than he did in 2010 (147), in only 14 games.

Ahmad Bradshaw had 171 attempts in only 12 games. In 2010 he had -276- for 1235 yds.

Grant and Starks had 134 and 133 attempts respectively last year. Huge difference.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



11 rushes in our SB victory. I love how everyone loves to use selective stats.

Now, back to the original topic.

Did we get the wrong RB with Cedric Benson? I've heard a lot of football fans say that he needs a certain amount of carries to get going. As a primarily passing team, Benson may have been the wrong guy to get.

I still haven't heard the true reason we haven't signed Grant. Did he ask for too much $$$? Or is Grant too injured to be any good? I'm guessing it's the latter.
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yooperfan
12 years ago

:-k

That brutal nature of that is too depressing.. I rather go with this.. lol.

Unlike the over hype and sense of false confidence that we had going into the playoffs last season.. this season they got a early dose of truth burger rammed down their throats early.. with a bit of hot sauce to boot.

Yoop.. I hold out hope that it has hit home. And that change.. actual change will commence.

While we might be challenged to become a dominant defense in the near future, I think we some balance and ball control from the offense coupled with what we know is a elite passing game, we can assist the defense until they get some confidence and at least can set the tempo once in a while.

I watched the Ravens last night just to see it.. a team that can win in every facet of the game. Up til now, they lacked a QB that could complete them.. Flacco, much like Smith, has grown and excelled within the framework of the offense. And they destroyed a decent Bengals team. They tore the will out of the Bengals in the early third quarter.. it was an ass kicking from there. No comebacks.. the Bengals were whipped.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



I also am looking for change to commence.
Hopefully as this season plays out we will see in a positive manner what the players and coaching staff are made of.

Pack93z
12 years ago

11 rushes in our SB victory. I love how everyone loves to use selective stats.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



If we lose a previous game.. does it matter how many times we run the ball in the SB? [grin1]

BTW.. Benson will give us production.. I have faith.


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