Zero2Cool
12 years ago
... in my opinion, if he does not show something encouraging tomorrow, he'll be cut and the Packers will effort Colt McCoy for a late round pick in 2013's draft.
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Pack93z
12 years ago
Disagree.. I do not believe he will be cut.. if anything he will be kept on with an additional QB.

Why?

Because he has two years in the offense and system, they have no one else that is going to be able to walk in and know that offense and be ready within a month.

IMO.. many are scrambling on this kid.. I have little concern about him being able to step in and provide as much as Flynn did in the 2010 season. Look no further than week one of the preseason and his drives in the no huddle type situations.. kid can make most of the throws and can play. IMO of course.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Disagree.. I do not believe he will be cut.. if anything he will be kept on with an additional QB.

Why?

Because he has two years in the offense and system, they have no one else that is going to be able to walk in and know that offense and be ready within a month.

IMO.. many are scrambling on this kid.. I have little concern about him being able to step in and provide as much as Flynn did in the 2010 season. Look no further than week one of the preseason and his drives in the no huddle type situations.. kid can make most of the throws and can play. IMO of course.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



B.J. Coleman came in and ran the two minute offense better than any series Graham Harrell ran prior.

I haven't seen Graham Harrell make most of the throws. I've seen a lot of throws into big windows, but when the window is smaller, its late or off target.

Colt McCoy is better than Graham Harrell, but that said, its unfair to compare since McCoy has started and Harrell has not had that opportunity.

Graham Harrell having only one offseason (e.g. Quarterback school) doesn't do him any favors either, nor does his noodle arm and lack of precision passing when throwing more than 25 yards.


Edit, had to edit this to add QB school as I failed in assuming it was obvious. Ooops!!
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Pack93z
12 years ago
One Offseason?

Graham Harrell 

Spent time on both the Packers’ active roster and the practice squad over the past two seasons after originally signing with the club in May 2010.



Apparently I was watching a different game week one.. I swore Harrell lead the team to two touchdown drives. Silly me. :)


Green Bay Packers at 03:03 
9-N.Novak kicks 69 yards from SD 35 to GB -4. 19-D.Borel to GB 30 for 34 yards (42-S.Cattouse).
1-10-GB 30
(2:57) (Shotgun) 6-G.Harrell pass short left to 84-D.Williams to GB 35 for 5 yards (57-J.Mouton).
2-5-GB 35
(2:17) (Shotgun) 6-G.Harrell pass incomplete short right to 19-D.Borel.
3-5-GB 35
(2:11) (Shotgun) 6-G.Harrell pass deep middle to 18-R.Cobb to SD 37 for 28 yards (41-C.Lynch, 28-B.Taylor).
Two-Minute Warning
1-10-SD 37
(2:00) (Shotgun) 6-G.Harrell pass short left to 19-D.Borel to SD 28 for 9 yards (39-D.Presley).
2-1-SD 28
(1:28) 6-G.Harrell pass short middle to 18-R.Cobb to SD 5 for 23 yards (41-C.Lynch).
1-5-SD 5
(:50) (Shotgun) 6-G.Harrell sacked at SD 9 for -4 yards (52-L.English). PENALTY on SD-54-M.Ingram, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at SD 9.
1-4-SD 4
(:50) 20-A.Green up the middle to SD 3 for 1 yard (58-D.Williams).
Timeout #1 by GB at 00:38.
2-3-SD 3
(:38) (Shotgun) 6-G.Harrell pass short right to 18-R.Cobb for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN .
2-M.Crosby extra point is GOOD, Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-8-T.Masthay.



Green Bay Packers at 03:26
1-10-GB 32
(3:26) 26-M.Tyler up the middle to GB 35 for 3 yards (91-K.Reyes, 74-J.Cesaire).
2-7-GB 35
(2:50) 26-M.Tyler right tackle to GB 35 for no gain (97-B.Bird). PENALTY on GB-48-B.Bostick, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at GB 35 - No Play.
2-17-GB 25
(2:24) (Shotgun) 6-G.Harrell pass short left to 13-D.Moss to GB 33 for 8 yards (25-D.Stuckey).
3-9-GB 33
(1:41) (Shotgun) 6-G.Harrell pass deep right to 7-C.Gilleylen to 50 for 17 yards (97-B.Bird).
1-10-
(:56) 26-M.Tyler right tackle to SD 47 for 3 yards (41-C.Lynch, 74-J.Cesaire).
Timeout #1 by GB at 00:08.
2-7-SD 47
(:08) (Shotgun) 6-G.Harrell pass short right to 26-M.Tyler to SD 43 for 4 yards (97-B.Bird).
END QUARTER 3
GB 13 SD 14 Plays: 14 Possession: 7:05
4th Quarter
Green Bay Packers continues ...
3-3-SD 43
(15:00) (Shotgun) 26-M.Tyler right guard to SD 38 for 5 yards (93-C.Thomas).
1-10-SD 38
(14:22) 6-G.Harrell pass short right to 13-D.Moss to SD 31 for 7 yards (31-G.Gatson).
2-3-SD 31
(13:50) 6-G.Harrell pass incomplete short right.
3-3-SD 31
(13:42) (Shotgun) 6-G.Harrell pass incomplete deep right to 13-D.Moss.
4-3-SD 31
(13:37) (Shotgun) 6-G.Harrell pass incomplete short right to 17-A.Brewer. PENALTY on SD-31-G.Gatson, Defensive Pass Interference, 6 yards, enforced at SD 31 - No Play.
1-10-SD 25
(13:34) 26-M.Tyler left end to SD 20 for 5 yards (97-B.Bird, 59-A.Gachkar).
2-5-SD 20
(12:54) 6-G.Harrell pass short right to 13-D.Moss ran ob at SD 6 for 14 yards.
1-6-SD 6
(12:35) 26-M.Tyler up the middle to SD 4 for 2 yards (41-C.Lynch, 59-A.Gachkar).
2-4-SD 4
(11:57) 26-M.Tyler right guard to SD 1 for 3 yards (72-L.Harrell, 99-G.Brown).
0-0-
Timeout #2 by GB at 11:25.
3-1-SD 1
(11:25) 26-M.Tyler up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

One Offseason?

Graham Harrell 



Apparently I was watching a different game week one.. I swore Harrell lead the team to two touchdown drives. Silly me. :)


Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Silly me, I thought there was a lock out?
Silly me, I don't recall saying Harrell did not lead any scoring drives?
Silly me, I thought I stated my opinion was that Coleman ran a better series than any of them by Harrell?
I so silly.
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PackerTraxx
12 years ago
IMO Ted Thompson will stand pat, but Harrell's days are numbered. He just doesn't have the arm or accuracy. Too bad I actually like him. It wouldn't be surprising to see Coleman #2 before the year is out, almost certainly by next year.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

IMO Ted Thompson will stand pat, but Harrell's days are numbered. He just doesn't have the arm or accuracy. Too bad I actually like him. It wouldn't be surprising to see Coleman #2 before the year is out, almost certainly by next year.

Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx 



I'm going to try an pay more attention to Graham Harrell tomorrow night and see if there's any improvement with his throws and decision making, which the latter will be speculative, obviously, lol.
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Pack93z
12 years ago

Silly me, I thought there was a lock out?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Yep.. Cost them the summer of 2011. However.. Offseason of 2010.. there were minicamps, OTA's and training Camp. Harrell signed May 20th 2010. :)


Late May to late-June : Packers hold organized team activities (OTA) and mandatory minicamp. (In recent years, the minicamp has been the final event, in what this year would be the week of June 21.)

Mid- to late-July: Training camps open. (If the schedule holds to recent years, the Packers will open on or around July 31, depending on their preseason schedule.)


2012 there were Minicamps and OTA's.

Plus he spent all last season on the Practice Squad  and 13 games of the 2010 season other there as well. Additionally he was on the active roster for 3 games in 2010 and the postseason.

My point is he has been in this system for 2 plus years.


Silly me, I don't recall saying Harrell did not lead any scoring drives?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Didn't say you did.. just pointing out that Harrell ran an effective 2 minute drill for a TD.


Silly me, I thought I stated my opinion was that Coleman ran a better series than any of them by Harrell?
I so silly.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I didn't claim that Harrell Coleman didn't run an ineffective drive, just he doesn't have the experience needed to be the primary backup IMO. I like Coleman's future in this league.. personally I wouldn't risk him via release. I just don't think he is a viable primary option right now.

McCoy is the new savior I guess.. biggest knock on him. Yep Arm Strength. If I was looking to a new project.. I would be plucking Clausen from the Panthers. IMO, he has more to offer than McCoy in the physical tools category.



My only point here is that I don't think Harrell goes anywhere.. I just don't see it happening. May the Packers risk Coleman via waivers and add another option.. that is possible.. but I just don't see them taking the gamble of no Harrell and little to no experience behind Rodgers in this offense.
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azrunning
12 years ago
I think he stays. That's Ted's way and it would take too long to bring somebody else up to speed with the offense. Also, I give him a little (tiny, eensy weensy) break because of the line he has to play behind. Second string OL is POROUS!
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago
What does being in the system (i.e. offense) have to do with the fact he's only had one off season with the Packers? I'll take fault here since I mistakenly assumed we knew why an offseason was beneficial to a quarterback for the Packers, but sure would be nice if you spent more time trying to understand rather than being hell bent on proving me wrong.


My point is he has been in this system for 2 plus years.

My only point here is that I don't think Harrell goes anywhere.. I just don't see it happening. May the Packers risk Coleman via waivers and add another option.. that is possible.. but I just don't see them taking the gamble of no Harrell and little to no experience behind Rodgers in this offense.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



I think you're right that Graham Harrell stays on board, but I think that's because he's going to up his game tomorrow night. Ok, maybe HOPE not THINK would be the correct choice of words, lol. I think if Graham Harrell doesn't perform better in game three than he has in the first two games (in other words, progresses positively) he will be in jeporady of being replaced.


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