Zero2Cool
12 years ago

I think the Packers will make a trade, but it will be out of the 1st round.

Originally Posted by: dhazer 


Yes sir, been saying this for awhile as well now. Unless, someone falls to the Packers kind of like Aaron Rodgers did.

I think instead of trading our players for a shot at a pass rusher, we should send our second rounder to Miami for Cameron Wake. He's pissed they won't give him a new contract. Last time we played the Fish, Wake turned our Bulaga whale into a flounder.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Bryan Bulaga IS a flounder. That's not a slam on Cameron Wake. He is good. I don't think the Packers will trade a 2nd round pick for a guy who's wanting a contract when they have several key core players needing contracts soon as well. Greg Jennings namely and they are probably going to re-do Aaron Rodgers soon, plus they have to re-sign Clay Matthews III.
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DakotaT
12 years ago


Bryan Bulaga IS a flounder. That's not a slam on Cameron Wake. He is good. I don't think the Packers will trade a 2nd round pick for a guy who's wanting a contract when they have several key core players needing contracts soon as well. Greg Jennings namely and they are probably going to re-do Aaron Rodgers soon, plus they have to re-sign Clay Matthews III.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Just so we have enough money to keep Clifton and Driver on the team so all the nostalgia boys have a visual to go along with their memories of what they use to be able to do. [sarcasm]

Christ, Wake would solve our pass rushing problem, but yeah we should just dick around with drafting potential instead of a sure thing. We got lucky with Matthews, but I doubt that happens again.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Just so we have enough money to keep Clifton and Driver on the team so all the nostalgia boys have a visual to go along with their memories of what they use to be able to do. [sarcasm]

Christ, Wake would solve our pass rushing problem, but yeah we should just dick around with drafting potential instead of a sure thing. We got lucky with Matthews, but I doubt that happens again.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



How do Chad Clifton and Donald Driver get mentioned when I brought up core players such as Aaron Rodgers, Greg Jennings and Clay Matthews III? Clifton and Driver need their contracts reworked, especially Driver if he makes the final cut.

I understand Cameron Wake is more valuable to the Packers than a 2nd round pick, potentially, but what about the salary he's going to take? You can't spend your dollars twice, which means you sign Cameron Wake instead of ... ??? I think the only of those three mentioned the Packers could get by with out is Greg Jennings.

Again, you cannot spend the salary cap twice. Once you spend 100 million, you don't get to spend another 100 million. Last time I had to explain this was to my ex girlfriend after she wrote out the rent check, then went on a spending spree because "well honey the money was there... i dunno".
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play2win
12 years ago

We won a SB because we played our best football down the stretch. That doesn't negate the fact that Green Bay's offense is more dangerous WITH Finley than without him. Do we really need to revisit the ways he is used in the offense and the matchup problems it creates for opposing defenses? That's SOOOO 2011.

I'll eat his drops -- which aren't unique, but rather unfortunately endemic of Green Bay skill position players -- if it means we get all the other bonuses. Yeah, his numbers aren't through the roof, but it we are also a buhjillion deep at receiving options. Finley is a stud.

Originally Posted by: evad04 



I love that song! Saw Radiohead in Phoenix last month.

Yeah, I understand where you are coming from. I know how he presents matchup problems. My thinking is that sometimes, or rather, most often, you have to give up something to get something.

I personally think we would be better served, adding 2 top flight pass rushers in this draft, and letting go of a guy who I like, but I think we can not only survive without, but in this case, possibly WIN OUT in this upcoming season. That's all. Finley is indeed a stud. Because of that, he would be very, very attractive to all of those teams in need of help at their skill positions.
Zero2Cool
12 years ago
I truly feel Jermichael Finley's drops were related to him trying to prove he can play a full season and trying to over perform during his contract year. I don't recall Finley having issues catching before. Finley was catching difficult passes, while dropping the easy ones and that there says it's a lack of concentration. He played a full season, has a new contract and I'm expecting him to solid this year for the Packers.
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zombieslayer
12 years ago

I truly feel Jermichael Finley's drops were related to him trying to prove he can play a full season and trying to over perform during his contract year. I don't recall Finley having issues catching before. Finley was catching difficult passes, while dropping the easy ones and that there says it's a lack of concentration. He played a full season, has a new contract and I'm expecting him to solid this year for the Packers.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I understand that. Now, let's just say Finley catches 100% of the passes in his hands in 2012. Still, I'd rather have an elite pass rusher than an elite TE. Our D fell from #2 to #19 last year. With Finley, our O rose from #6 to #1. The 2010 team > 2011 team and the difference was the lack of pass rush.

With hopes, I'm with Play2Win. I don't see it happening though unfortunately. Everyone wants to keep their elite pass rushers as the secret is out - you can beat an elite passing team with an elite pass rush. Everyone in the NFL knows that now.
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DoddPower
12 years ago
As with many other elite QBs, I feel as if Aaron Rodger's could take a lesser receiving core and be almost as successful. Sacrifice a bit for the offense and put that money into having a top 5 defense and I think we would be a much better team. I understand it's much easier said than done, but it's just a thought. I know Thompson wants to surround Rodger's with weapons, which is great, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the defense. Thompson seems to be a WR guru, so I'm confident we could maintain a solid receiving core and have a potent offense without having huge salaries at every position. Sacrifice one weapon on offense and add an equal player to the defense and I think the Packers improve.

If it was only so easy as waving a magic wand. Is it Thursday yet (draft time)???
Zero2Cool
12 years ago

I understand that. Now, let's just say Finley catches 100% of the passes in his hands in 2012. Still, I'd rather have an elite pass rusher than an elite TE. Our D fell from #2 to #19 last year. With Finley, our O rose from #6 to #1. The 2010 team > 2011 team and the difference was the lack of pass rush.

With hopes, I'm with Play2Win. I don't see it happening though unfortunately. Everyone wants to keep their elite pass rushers as the secret is out - you can beat an elite passing team with an elite pass rush. Everyone in the NFL knows that now.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



I don't think I said an elite TE is more valuable than an elite pass rushing specialist. Not sure if you were implying that or not, either way, it's clear now.

As the comment above says, Aaron Rodgers can make lesser TE better. I wouldn't object to the proposed trade of a 2nd rounder for Cameron Wake. I'm saying it won't happen because of money. However, trading Finley for Wake is much more likely because you get some cap relief in trading Finley, right? I'm assuming he's on the books for about $7 million when I'm saying this, lol.
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play2win
12 years ago
Zero2Cool, that is the other component that makes trading one of our existing players attractive for GB. A bit of cap relief will come in handy when trying to extend/resign Matthews, Jennings, Rodgers, Raji - all of whom I think we should try to keep. If that means we lose Finley or Jones, or both, and add a top DE or OLB in the draft, well that seems like a win-win.

I like Finley and Jones, both of them. I just am looking at it from a perspective of "what do we have that other teams want, that won't hurt us too badly to part with." Have to admit, even with Quarless out, we still have 3 TEs besides Finley. Most years we carried 3 on the roster until they shifted to 5 and ditched the extra RB/FB for special teams core players.

Not saying it has to happen either. We could conceivably land two or three great pass rushers without trade straight up if Ted can pick them right. I don't know how they have the players stacked either, and I wouldn't presume to know. Maybe there is no one worth making a move like this, but I kind of doubt that. If we go to camp with all of our WRs and let DD retire, wow. We will still be very, very formidable on O. Add the right players where we need them on D and we can make the run. Either way, I'll be happy, only as long as they add the pass rush we need. He has the picks and players to make many moves that would better insure we get who we want.
Zero2Cool
12 years ago
I don't know where you're going with that, but all I'm saying is, I'd rather the Packers drop $7 million a year on a solid pass rusher than an elite TE. Bringing up James Jones as trade bait when as a free agent no one wanted him, doesn't really do much for your angle, lol.

Good point on B.J. Raji, he's also a core player that will need to be resigned either this year or next. I had forgot about him.
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