vikesrule
13 years ago

I've seen those numbers and one thing to keep in mind is that it's by the car. Scions for example have only 5% of their parts made in the USA and don't contribute to that many jobs. Honda Accords used to be made in California but I don't know whether or not they still are to be honest.

Let's also keep in mind that there are both blue collar and white collar jobs that make cars. The engineers for the foreign companies are all overseas whereas the engineers for Ford all work in Detroit.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



Nice attempt....feeble....but nice.

Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America, Inc. (TEMA) 

zombieslayer
13 years ago

Nice attempt....feeble....but nice.

Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America, Inc. (TEMA) 

Originally Posted by: vikesrule 



Only 2578? Run those numbers against what Ford alone has in their Engineering department. Ford alone has 164k employees. I don't have the numbers of how many are white collar and how many are blue collar, but I'll bet you that even though Toyota is bigger than Ford, Ford employs white collar workers than Toyota does in the USA.

Actually, I have a friend who's an Engineer for Ford. I'll ask her.

(disclaimer - both Mrs. Z and I are Ford shareholders)
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vikesrule
13 years ago


Actually, I have a friend who's an Engineer for Ford. I'll ask her.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



Engineers are notorious flakes.

You are attempting to circumnavigate your original statement.

alharrisdude31
13 years ago
Heh, I'll watch the ads for the tits, not the car. You couldn't pay me enough to drive anything not ford/chevy/dodge
I pick my trucks for usefulness, power, and ability to have fun. For instance: I own a 2004 dodge 2500 cummins turbo diesel. Not for the stereotype of a redneck, not to be bigger than everyone else. I use it everyday for what it is meant for, work.
I don't care if you put a dozen naked models in a commercial or one overweight male in a thong, if it gets the job done, I'm buying it. I think any debate over advertisements, especially for cars, is one of the dumbest things to talk about.
alharrisdude31
13 years ago
Also, it does not matter where the parts are made. Injectors are injectors no matter where they are made, pistons are pistons no matter where they are made. It is how the car is designed that effects performance. What's the point of advertising a heavy duty pickup that has an axle designed for a coupe sports car, and suspension designed for a family sedan? Most companies today use the same parts in all of their models, that's why they are low quality.

Dodge uses Dana axles (TOP of the market for axles) stock on their pickups, smart.

Honda uses Apex axles (cheap, many broken, terrible performance) which Dodge used in their 1969 W200 pickup for ONE year.

The performance of the cars comes from the minds, not the assembly lines.
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13 years ago

Heh, I'll watch the ads for the tits, not the car. You couldn't pay me enough to drive anything not ford/chevy/dodge
I pick my trucks for usefulness, power, and ability to have fun. For instance: I own a 2004 dodge 2500 cummins turbo diesel. Not for the stereotype of a redneck, not to be bigger than everyone else. I use it everyday for what it is meant for, work.
I don't care if you put a dozen naked models in a commercial or one overweight male in a thong, if it gets the job done, I'm buying it. I think any debate over advertisements, especially for cars, is one of the dumbest things to talk about.

Originally Posted by: alharrisdude31 



AL you are a rarity. Not many but a car/truck solely based on function.

Why are there titty ads? Because it sells merchandise. These kind of ads have been around for more than 50 years. If it didn't work they would change. Granted they will not get many 30-50 soccer moms with this ad but they will get a million hits on youtube before it is done.
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4PackGirl
13 years ago
but will a guy REALLY buy a scion because they showed some titties? really? it's a friggin SCION people!

if i were a guy i'd be insulted by most of the advertising ploys out there. they make you all look like a bunch of undersexed neanderthals who will spend thousands of $$'s for that quick glimpse of t & a. OR they make you look like complete idiots incapable of forming a sentence, standing up to a woman, &/or cleaning up after yourselves.

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13 years ago

but will a guy REALLY buy a scion because they showed some titties? really? it's a friggin SCION people!

if i were a guy i'd be insulted by most of the advertising ploys out there. they make you all look like a bunch of undersexed neanderthals who will spend thousands of $$'s for that quick glimpse of t & a. OR they make you look like complete idiots incapable of forming a sentence, standing up to a woman, &/or cleaning up after yourselves.

Originally Posted by: 4PackGirl 



yep. I won't watch most sitcoms for that very reason. 20 years ago i grew tired of how they portray the male especially the dad. Once of twice is fine funny. But every show every time is stupid.

As for the t/a in commercials, as I said advertisers wouldn't waste their bucks making the commercial if they didn't feel they were successful. I remember a marketing class in college we were discussing commercials. One of the commercials that was made in the late 70's was a huge success. It won a Cleo. People loved it. Thought it was funny. The manufacturer scrapped it after just a few months and fired the ad agency. It seems while everyone enjoyed it and laughed and liked the commercial they could not remember what the product was that was being sold. So the commercial was useless. Point is no one will keep using an ad unless it sells their product or service. For better or worse, right or wrong babes and boobs and butts work.
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vikesrule
13 years ago

but will a guy REALLY buy a scion because they showed some titties? really? it's a friggin SCION people!

if i were a guy i'd be insulted by most of the advertising ploys out there. they make you all look like a bunch of undersexed neanderthals who will spend thousands of $$'s for that quick glimpse of t & a. OR they make you look like complete idiots incapable of forming a sentence, standing up to a woman, &/or cleaning up after yourselves.

Originally Posted by: 4PackGirl 




The penis is the primary functioning organ of a male human being..... with the brain coming in a distant second place.

One day the Lord came to Adam to pass on some news. "I've got some good
news and some bad news" said the Lord.
Adam looked at the Lord and said, "Well, give me the good news first."

Smiling, the Lord explained, "I've got two new organs for you.
One is called the brain. It will allow you to be very intelligent, create new
things and have intelligent conversations with Eve.
The other organ I have for you is a called a penis. It will allow you to reproduce your own
intelligent new lifeform and populate this planet. Eve will be very happy
that you now have this organ to give her children."

Adam, very excited, exclaimed "these are great gifts you have given me.
What could possibly be bad news after such great tidings?"

The Lord looked upon Adam and said with great sorrow,
"The bad news is that when I created you I only gave you enough blood to operate one of
these organs at a time."
zombieslayer
13 years ago

Engineers are notorious flakes.

You are attempting to circumnavigate your original statement.

Originally Posted by: vikesrule 



Actually, no.

You found one model of a Japanese car that was made in America and one model of an American car that was barely made in America and tried to make it look like Japanese cars are more American than American cars.

My statement was simple - made in America protects American jobs. I said straight up that if you buy a Honda Accord (I don't know the exact years), you are employing Californians. If you buy a Scion, you are not employing that many Americans.

Now if you're buying German cars, you're hardly employing Americans at all.

I don't know how it is in other states, but when you go to the dealer and look at new cars, it's posted on the sticker what percentage of the car is made from American parts. Certain Japanese models actually are quite high. Then again, some aren't. But I didn't see a single German car that had over 20%.

Now back to the ad itself, I'm with Al. I like looking at babes but that's the absolute last thing I remember when looking at a car to purchase. My Saturns I've owned just work and they're cheap. If you need a neat-o car to impress the babes, you're lacking charisma. My Ford Taurus got 272k miles before the transmission died. (I used to do my own engine work but when a transmission dies, I junk the car). Then I got 168k out of my 1st Saturn but unfortunately, the transmission was going and I traded it in for another Saturn. Then Saturn went out of business.

That 168k is deceptively low. I was in bumper to bumper traffic for the first 100k miles so that put a lot of wear and tear on it. The engine itself was cherry. I was averaging over 35 mpg on the freeway and driving from Texas to California, I got 45+ for some stretches.

These were all really good cars, despite what the American hating media likes to say. If you check Consumer Reports, Ford is neck and neck with the Japanese. Americans still build really good trucks (Al is right). And German cars and English cars suck.

My Saturns were built in Tennessee.

And 4Pack - America is the most sexually frustrated nation of the 1st world (well, tied with the Brits). That's why. Everyone else enjoys sex (except the British).
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