Zero2Cool
13 years ago

It is nextguyitis.. the fact that we can call upon 2 backs bodes well for us. Last year it was Jackson that had everyone clamoring.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Everyone? That means I'm a nobody, ... DAMMIT!!! My therapist told me this could happen.


Packers are lucky at RB, so far. Lucky is not the right word, fortunate I think is more apt.
UserPostedImage
Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

Everyone? That means I'm a nobody, ... DAMMIT!!! My therapist told me this could happen.


Packers are lucky at RB, so far. Lucky is not the right word, fortunate I think is more apt.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


Just don't start believing nobody is perfect. Then you will really be in trouble.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

I think they're both doing well.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


Then why do you keep cutting Grant down, suggesting we get rid of him and never give him credit for a good play while excusing Starks when he gets tackled in the backfield.

You are not acting like Grant doing well makes you happy. In fact, the opposite seems to be true. You are only happy when he gets tackled in the backfield.

Like you hope he fails because being right is more important to you than the Packers doing well.

If that is not your intent, that is the impression you are giving.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago

Then why do you keep cutting Grant down, suggesting we get rid of him and never give him credit for a good play while excusing Starks when he gets tackled in the backfield.

You are not acting like Grant doing well makes you happy. In fact, the opposite seems to be true. You are only happy when he gets tackled in the backfield.

Like you hope he fails because being right is more important to you than the Packers doing well.

If that is not your intent, that is the impression you are giving.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



well played Mauer.
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
13 years ago

Everyone? That means I'm a nobody, ... DAMMIT!!! My therapist told me this could happen.


Packers are lucky at RB, so far. Lucky is not the right word, fortunate I think is more apt.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Okay.. I must clarify.. everyone that wanted Grant on the bench that is.. prior to getting hurt. If I must, I will pull up one of those threads and name names.. lol.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
djcubez
13 years ago
One thing I've noticed: When we really need the rushing yards Starks always seems to be in the game. I remember I was watching the game with my friend and he kept complaining about how Starks wasn't getting the ball. I said "wait until the third quarter, he only seems to get the ball when it counts the most." Sure enough, 3 out of our first 4 plays in the third quarter are runs to Starks.

So far I'm happy with the way the two backs have been used. With Starks injury history and his explosiveness why not give him an extra breather now and then? While Grants seems like he's lost a step he is still useful. Consider: Grant always hits the hole, there's no dancing in the backfield. Grant runs straight, albeit sometimes into his own guy, but straight. He always tries to fall forward. What we have is an effective back when all we need is a carry for 1-5 yards. It gives us a short distance to go on a passing down and also helps to setup the play-action. I have never been a fan of Grant's--there are posts on this forum that detail that to an extreme--but I like him as a part of a two headed attack. He's great when teamed with a more explosive back like Starks.

I also remember reading comments from Joe Philbin stating that Starks is better in space, and significantly better than Grant running out of the shotgun. While Grant is better at identifying the blitz, Starks is better at blocking the blitzer. I also know that in the first game while the touches between the two were similar, Starks had 20-30 more snaps.
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
I think the running backs coach said that James Starks is better at pass blocking than Ryan Grant.
UserPostedImage
nerdmann
13 years ago

I think the running backs coach said that James Starks is better at pass blocking than Ryan Grant.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




I prefer the term "pass pro."
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Silentio
13 years ago
I, like evad, think that the whole “starter” designation is pretty meaningless. That said, it looks like Starks is a better runner. He’s the guy. He gets to the line of scrimmage faster than Grant, that’s the main thing I took from the Carolina game. I don’t know where I stand on the whole issue of whether he evades tacklers better. I could be convinced with some video evidence but I’m not interested enough to track it down myself. I would also like to see how McCarthy is using each runner, the different alignments, etc, and how the blocking develops in front of them. I have a feeling based on no evidence whatsoever that when Grant is in the game the blocking gets poorer. But maybe that’s just because he’s not getting to the line as quickly as Starks and by the time he gets into the fray things have broken down a bit.

I don’t agree that watching Grant run is somehow a chore. His runs have kept the offense on schedule so far this season which is all to the good. I wish McCarthy would mix runs (with both running backs) in a bit more, to tell the truth. But what do I know? Anyway, I think Grant’s boring 4.1 yards/carry (they are a boring compared to Starks, I admit) mean that when Grant is in the game it doesn’t automatically signal *PASS* to the defense. As the season progresses I think we’ll see more and more Starks and Grant in key situations when we need tough yards and when Starks is tired.

Finally, if Starks got injured in practice tomorrow (knock on wood) I think the Packers would be in pretty good shape with Grant. Not as good of shape, obviously, than if we had both backs, but certainly in better offensive shape than they were last year when Grant went down.
blank
Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

I think the running backs coach said that James Starks is better at pass blocking than Ryan Grant.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


He also said Starks can't find the blitzer at times.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
Fan Shout
dfosterf (3h) : It's my one day deal complaint dept. on shareholder meeting day
dfosterf (4h) : Probably a homer access credential intimidation kinda thing
dfosterf (4h) : Meathead "journalists" skip this, concentrating on operational revenue when convenient. They switch when net revenue is more favorable.
dfosterf (4h) : Resulting in an actual drop of net revenue of 12.5%. She is from Minnesota. Just sayin'
dfosterf (4h) : Any plans to hold Maureen Smith (CFO) accountable for a 95% drop in investment revenue?
Mucky Tundra (5h) : In your face, HBO!
Mucky Tundra (5h) : @ByRyanWood Mark Murphy: “A great source of pride of mine is that we were never on Hard Knocks.”
Mucky Tundra (5h) : *years
Mucky Tundra (5h) : @mattschneidman Mark Murphy says he anticipates “many Packers games” being played in Germany, Ireland and/or the U.K. over the next 5-10 yea
dfosterf (5h) : *cafeteria* I have hit my head also, so I sympathize
dfosterf (5h) : Possibly hit his head leaning into the glass protecting the food in the cafateria
dfosterf (5h) : Maybe a low flying drone
dfosterf (5h) : Did Savion Williams run into a goalpost or something?
Mucky Tundra (6h) : also, no bueno when a guy starts getting concussions right off the bat in his career
Zero2Cool (6h) : Concussion is worse. Banks probably vet off day via back booboo claim
Mucky Tundra (8h) : @AndyHermanNFL Jordy Nelson out at camp today. No word if he’s in play for one of the two open roster spots ; )
dfosterf (8h) : Is that better or worse than Banks bad back?
Zero2Cool (9h) : Savion concussion ... not good.
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Aaron Rodgers’s first pass of first team period was picked off
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : tbh I didn't hear of his passing
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Cosby Show. Malcom Jamal Warner I think is real name
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : I was thinking of Ozzy and Hulk
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : Who's Theo?
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : How is Theo alliteration?
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : Bad week for people whose names are alliterations
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Hulk Hogan gone too.
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Oh, it's toe injury
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Hope it's not serious. that would stink
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Sounds like an ankle not a knee for Fields
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Ya Flaccp on Browns
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Maybe Tyrod Taylor instead
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : He's on Browns, right?
dfosterf (24-Jul) : They would probably go with Flacco is my guess if Fields out
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Fleece 'em again!
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Malik Willis might be someone Jets come after
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Packers introduce 1923-inspired classic uniform, leather-look helmet
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Both LB Quay Walker and Rookie DB Micah Robinson have passed their physicals
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Happy to see site feels more snappy snappy
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : No sir. I did not.
dfosterf (23-Jul) : You didn't get free childcare when you were at work?
wpr (23-Jul) : These guys make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Pay for their own childcare.
dfosterf (23-Jul) : 2nd issue. Number 1 issue was no gameday childcare. 1 of 3 teams not providing it
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Suppose if locker room is main issue, we sitting pretty
wpr (23-Jul) : I thought so Mucky. In those useless player polls GB always rates high overall. Locker is a part of it.
Mucky Tundra (23-Jul) : Wasn't the locker room just updated like 6 or 7 years ago?
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : I have forum updated on different site. We'll see how this one goes before going to that
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Elgton Jenkins has a back injury, is expect to end contract dispute
wpr (23-Jul) : It's funny the PA complained about the locker room. It wasn't that long ago it was top shelf. Things change in a hurry.
wpr (23-Jul) : The site is much more better.
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : NFLPA report said Packers lockerroom needed upgrade. Whining bout where you change?
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
5h / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

20h / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

24-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

22-Jul / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

22-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

20-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.