Iirc, Holmgren traded Ahman Green for Fred Vinson (LOL) because Green was viewed as a fumbler. Uncle Mike does NOT tolerate putting the rock on the ground. Green also had that one season where Ted Thompson dumped Wahle and Rivera. Although in fairness, you should also calculate that he HAD two awesome guards for all those years as well. That should factor in.
Overall though, I just loved Green's combination of speed and power. He had vision too. AND was a receiving threat.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

.... where does that put Emmitt Smith?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Above Barry Sanders, that's for sure.



zombieslayer summed up the Ahman Green case very well...Packers Hall of Fame - Yes....NFL Hall of Fame - No.


And Rockmolder, my young Dutch cheesehead amigo, you're original "critique" of AP has me thinking that your wooden shoes might be a little too tight.

Originally Posted by: vikesrule 

Above Barry Sanders, that's for sure.

Originally Posted by: vikesrule 

And while the if excuses are a bit weak, had he started running the ball in Seattle when he got drafted, had he been a higher draft pick who "has to produce right away", had he been the starter in GB immediatly, had he been handed the ball a little more etc. etc. we would've been talking about when he'd be inshrined into the HoF, rather than if he should be.

The skill was there. Easily.

Next to that, the Paul Hornung being one of the best RBs in Packers history and then pointing to how much he scored seems a little unrelated.

I mean, rushing for 13 TDs and catching 2 is quite impressive by itsself (90 points), but let's be honest, 15 field goals and 41 extra points (86 points) don't really count toward being a great RB.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 

Dear lord, you guys are Emmitt Smith fans, aren't you?

Ok, AP was a stretch. Went with him without doing proper research. Having 4.4 as your lowest average and 4.6 in a season where he got force-fed the ball is just simply amazing.

LDT, on the other hand, is getting way too much credit.

What makes this season; 339 carries, 1335 yards, 3.9 avg, 17 TDs, better than; 259 carries, 1163 yards, 4.5 avg, 7 TDs...? That Ahman got force-fed the ball less, especially at the goalline? Because that first season was an All-pro season by LDT, Ahman didn't get that recognition.

Now, I get that you have to put up some stats, but 259 carries is a good enough sample to see one's skill. And to see that he was bouncing, spinning and balancing through tackles, while LDT was running into a wall on half of his runs.

I prefer Jamaal Charles over Arian Foster and I prefer Gale Sayers over Emmitt Smith.

And while the if excuses are a bit weak, had he started running the ball in Seattle when he got drafted, had he been a higher draft pick who "has to produce right away", had he been the starter in GB immediatly, had he been handed the ball a little more etc. etc. we would've been talking about when he'd be inshrined into the HoF, rather than if he should be.

The skill was there. Easily.

Next to that, the Paul Hornung being one of the best RBs in Packers history and then pointing to how much he scored seems a little unrelated.

I mean, rushing for 13 TDs and catching 2 is quite impressive by itsself (90 points), but let's be honest, 15 field goals and 41 extra points (86 points) don't really count toward being a great RB.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 

LT still did it better and longer. You just nit-picked one of LT's lowest YPC seasons. LT ran for 1,100 yards and 10 TD's 8 straight years. Sure LT got the ball a bit more, for a longer period of time, and had a slightly lower YPC over his career, but you can't just dismiss the higher yards and significantly higher rushing TD's as him getting force fed the ball.

As you said yourself the if excuse is extremely weak. I would say Arian Foster's season last year was slightly better than Charles', but Charles high YPC was pretty insane. That being said I don't necessarily see Foster as a better back than Charles, and I would like to see him have a repeat strong performance. Sayers and Emmitt are from different era's and played on different teams. Emmitt benefited from play with a HOF QB, WR, and a good O-Line. Obviously statistically Emmit blows Sayers out of the water, but generally offensive statistics have gone up as time has progressed in the NFL (both due to more games, and changing of the game). Additionally comparing I think comparing Ahman to Gale Sayers is a stretch.

Originally Posted by: The_Claymaker