nerdmann
14 years ago




Dunno how to embed.
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The_Claymaker
14 years ago
Did you make this yourself or just find it? I think it's very well done. It's tough for me to comment on this list only having Ahman Green play, and having a limited knowledge of Packers history, but I'll give my 2 cents on Ahman. For a few years Green was one of the best backs in the league and I believe he has many (most?) of the teams rushing records. That being said he may be high. He's not going to be a Hall of Famer, while I believe all the others are. Statistically he blows the others out of the water but that is probably more a product of the longer season and era he played in than his ability.
vikesrule
14 years ago
Any Packers top 5 RB's without Jim Grabowski and Michael Haddix is bogus.
zombieslayer
14 years ago

Did you make this yourself or just find it? I think it's very well done. It's tough for me to comment on this list only having Ahman Green play, and having a limited knowledge of Packers history, but I'll give my 2 cents on Ahman. For a few years Green was one of the best backs in the league and I believe he has many (most?) of the teams rushing records. That being said he may be high. He's not going to be a Hall of Famer, while I believe all the others are. Statistically he blows the others out of the water but that is probably more a product of the longer season and era he played in than his ability.

Originally Posted by: The_Claymaker 



Yes, Green should be #5. The others are Hall of Famers and were dominant throughout their careers. Green was only elite one season.
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nerdmann
14 years ago

Yes, Green should be #5. The others are Hall of Famers and were dominant throughout their careers. Green was only elite one season.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 




Thanks to whoever for embedding it. I actually agree with the narrator. If Ahman Green was on a team that won a SB, he'd be a HoF'er. Dude was elite. (I'd take him over Starks! In his prime of course.)
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Rockmolder
14 years ago

Yes, Green should be #5. The others are Hall of Famers and were dominant throughout their careers. Green was only elite one season.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



Wow, elite for just one season? I reckon we're talking about 2003?

That'd make AP elite for just 1, maybe 2 seasons. That'd make LDT an "ok" RB, with 2 elite showings in his entire career....

If Green had not started off so slow in Seattle, running for about 300 yards on just 60 carries (implying he had it, but didn't get the opportunity), had he not been injured in that horrible 2005 season and had he not broken down the moment he hit 30, had he been on a team that won the SB, he would've been in the talks for the HoF.

Based on his play alone, he still should be, he just doesn't have the stats to back it up now with 9000 rushing yards, 3000 receiving and 75 TDs.

And the whole fumble thing doesn't really help, either.

The_Claymaker
14 years ago

Wow, elite for just one season? I reckon we're talking about 2003?

That'd make AP elite for just 1, maybe 2 seasons. That'd make LDT an "ok" RB, with 2 elite showings in his entire career
....

If Green had not started off so slow in Seattle, running for about 300 yards on just 60 carries (implying he had it, but didn't get the opportunity), had he not been injured in that horrible 2005 season and had he not broken down the moment he hit 30, had he been on a team that won the SB, he would've been in the talks for the HoF.

Based on his play alone, he still should be, he just doesn't have the stats to back it up now with 9000 rushing yards, 3000 receiving and 75 TDs.

And the whole fumble thing doesn't really help, either.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



Every one of AP's seasons have out produced all but Ahman's one dominant season, and he presumably has a few more dominant seasons left (though we all know running backs hit the wall early). Almost all of LT's do as well (minus the last few). Ahman had one dominant season where he was arguably the best in the league and a handful at or around pro bowl level. Every one of AP's season have been dominant or around a pro bowl level. LT has an MVP and a slew of pro bowl caliber years (pretty much everyone with the Chargers). Frankly Ahman is not in the class of LT or AP.

zombieslayer
14 years ago

Wow, elite for just one season? I reckon we're talking about 2003?

That'd make AP elite for just 1, maybe 2 seasons. That'd make LDT an "ok" RB, with 2 elite showings in his entire career....

If Green had not started off so slow in Seattle, running for about 300 yards on just 60 carries (implying he had it, but didn't get the opportunity), had he not been injured in that horrible 2005 season and had he not broken down the moment he hit 30, had he been on a team that won the SB, he would've been in the talks for the HoF.

Based on his play alone, he still should be, he just doesn't have the stats to back it up now with 9000 rushing yards, 3000 receiving and 75 TDs.

And the whole fumble thing doesn't really help, either.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



Yeah, and if I didn't give my last dollar to some stupid homeless chum, I could have had ice cream last night.

I don't like "ifs." Ifs are excuses.

I know you're being sarcastic, but others aren't.

Green only dominated one year. For Hall of Fame candidacy, you compare the candidate to his peers (thus is why Art Monk should have never gotten in). Let's make some comparisons here.

For rushing yards, he was only in the top 10 twice in his career. In 2001, he was #4. In 2003, he was #2.

For rushing TDs, he was 9th in 2000, 8th in 2001, 2nd in 2003.

For combined rushing/receiving TDs, he was 9th in 2000, 7th in 2001, and 2nd in 2003.

In his career for fantasy, he was only in the top 10 among RBs 3 times. In 2000 he was 5th, in 2001 he was 5th, and 2003 he was 3rd.

I'm not seeing a single #1 here. Hey, I really like the guy and I want my Packers to dominate everyone else, but facts are facts. Ahman Green was a solid RB, consistently good, and elite one year. That's awesome and worthy of Packers' Hall of Fame, but not worthy of the NFL Hall of Fame.

The other 4 men are in the NFL Hall of Fame. Watch the video. They did things that put them in the NFL Hall of Fame, like SHATTERING records for instance. Paul Horning's pts record was only broken recently and that's ONLY because we play 16 games now.

Jim Taylor led the league in rushing one year and was #2 four years. He was only #2 because of that Jim Brown guy. Dammit. Why did Jim Brown have to play at the same time as Jim Taylor? Jim Taylor led the NFL in TDs TWICE and set a rushing TD record that lasted for something like 20 years.

I don't remember the video as I watched it yesterday, but one of the guys on the list who was under Green SAVED THE GREEN BAY PACKERS FRANCHISE. Yes, there most likely would be no Green Bay Packers today if it wasn't for that guy. How in the world is Green ahead of that guy? He set records that lasted for years.

The other guy set records that lasted for over a decade after he retired, and Green is ahead of him in that list.

With all due respect for Ahman Green, I like the guy. But his has nothing to do with liking someone. Facts are facts. Green isn't worthy to be ranked ahead of Hall of Famers, even if we won 2 SBs with him. He simply did not dominate his position the way the other guys did.
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Rockmolder
14 years ago

Every one of AP's seasons have out produced all but Ahman's one dominant season, and he presumably has a few more dominant seasons left (though we all know running backs hit the wall early). Almost all of LT's do as well (minus the last few). Ahman had one dominant season where he was arguably the best in the league and a handful at or around pro bowl level. Every one of AP's season have been dominant or around a pro bowl level. LT has an MVP and a slew of pro bowl caliber years (pretty much everyone with the Chargers). Frankly Ahman is not in the class of LT or AP.

Originally Posted by: The_Claymaker 



Dear lord, you guys are Emmitt Smith fans, aren't you?

Ok, AP was a stretch. Went with him without doing proper research. Having 4.4 as your lowest average and 4.6 in a season where he got force-fed the ball is just simply amazing.

LDT, on the other hand, is getting way too much credit.

What makes this season; 339 carries, 1335 yards, 3.9 avg, 17 TDs, better than; 259 carries, 1163 yards, 4.5 avg, 7 TDs...? That Ahman got force-fed the ball less, especially at the goalline? Because that first season was an All-pro season by LDT, Ahman didn't get that recognition.

Now, I get that you have to put up some stats, but 259 carries is a good enough sample to see one's skill. And to see that he was bouncing, spinning and balancing through tackles, while LDT was running into a wall on half of his runs.

I prefer Jamaal Charles over Arian Foster and I prefer Gale Sayers over Emmitt Smith.

And while the if excuses are a bit weak, had he started running the ball in Seattle when he got drafted, had he been a higher draft pick who "has to produce right away", had he been the starter in GB immediatly, had he been handed the ball a little more etc. etc. we would've been talking about when he'd be inshrined into the HoF, rather than if he should be.

The skill was there. Easily.

Next to that, the Paul Hornung being one of the best RBs in Packers history and then pointing to how much he scored seems a little unrelated.

I mean, rushing for 13 TDs and catching 2 is quite impressive by itsself (90 points), but let's be honest, 15 field goals and 41 extra points (86 points) don't really count toward being a great RB.
nerdmann
14 years ago
Iirc, Holmgren traded Ahman Green for Fred Vinson (LOL) because Green was viewed as a fumbler. Uncle Mike does NOT tolerate putting the rock on the ground. Green also had that one season where Ted Thompson dumped Wahle and Rivera. Although in fairness, you should also calculate that he HAD two awesome guards for all those years as well. That should factor in.
Overall though, I just loved Green's combination of speed and power. He had vision too. AND was a receiving threat.
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