warhawk
14 years ago

Am I missing something or has this guy been hurt once and that was a fluke when he was trying to tackle somebody after a fumble?

It was unfortunate but he can hardly be called injury prone.

Looking at past numbers on Finley is a useless venture. They don't mean anything. What means something is the fact all the teams out there recognize the talent this guy has and the fact he is young and his best days are ahead of him. So if he's healthy this year and puts up the numbers NOBODY is going to look at his agent and say "well, he only caught 30 some passes a year before this." His agent will laugh in their face and say "fine....next?" And there will be a "next" team and that's all that really counts.

So obviously I am with Greg C on this one.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



If. Exactly. If.

What IF he doesn't? The whole thing I've been saying is that he hasn't done it yet. Why are so many people having trouble understanding such a simple concept? You just pretend the 2011 season already happened and Finely had a productive, healthy year, then argue based on that prediction like it it's a given. It's not a given, as last year illustrated. He was supposed to do that last year. It didn't happen.

You say it's a "fact that his best days are ahead of him". They probably are, but you can't call a prediction a fact. It seemed to be a fact after 2004 that Javon Walker's best days were ahead of him too. Walker had at that point shown much more than Finley has at this point. Five years and tens of millions of dollars of wasted money later, Walker has only had one more decent year and his career is likely over. Things don't always work out the way we predict that they will. Predictions are not facts, by definition.

Finley has shown some great spurts of the ability to be a dominant pass catching TE. Then he tore his meniscus. Not his fault, but it happened. Then he had knee surgery. Then he had an emergency second surgery for a staph infection in that knee. Again, not his fault, but part of the reality of the situation as it stands. He is coming off a knee surgery with complications.

And yes, you are missing something- He hasn't just been hurt once. He sprained his left knee in 2009, missing basically 4 games, and tore the meniscus in his right knee in 2010, missing 16 more including the postseason. Hopefully it's coincidental, and not a sign of things to come that he has had two knee injuries in the last two years. (Knocking on wood.)

Finely looks like he is uncoverable at times when healthy. That's why he gets talked about in the same conversation as Antonio Gates and Jason Witten. He has yet to put a full season together that comes anywhere close to their elite production, but he has had games, and stretches of games, that would rival any TE as far as production as a receiver.

He has also shown his immaturity and lack of professionalism more than once, from saying his QB should be using him better, to chronically missing meetings, to breaking curfew before a playoff game, to his public whining about the Super Bowl photo on twitter.

Moral of the story to me is that the future of Jermichael Finley is unwritten. Hopefully he comes back from his knee surgeries stronger than ever, and the injuries end up being nothing more than a footnote of his early career. Hopefully his immaturity fades and he grows into one of the best receiving TEs ever to play the game. Hopefully it happens sooner than later. Hopefully it has already started, and he goes on to have a great career as a Packer.

All I'm saying is that it hasn't happened yet. Simple stuff. I'd love to see him locked up to a long term contract just like everyone else, despite the misguided belief some of you seem to have gotten from my posts. I would just like to see him have an elite season, or a stretch longer than 7 games anyway, of actual elite production before they pay him elite money. Especially considering his well documented and admitted problems with immaturity. Throw big money at immature people and bad things often happen.

"warhawk" wrote:



If Finley is unfortunate enough to get injured again his value goes down for all teams. He's simply not going to get the offer he will if he makes it through the year.

I think his past habits were just that and put behind him. This was discussed at the beginning of last year and he said he understood the little things that mattered in becoming the best TE in the league and that included being on time, study, and, improving his blocking. I know it was said he worked extremely hard in the off season before last year.

He knew he had to grow up. He was only like 20 when he got here. I think that's become a non-issue. Between him growing up and coming up on a contract year it would greatly surprise me to see him not doing the right things but not as much as it would surprise me if his numbers aren't huge if he plays.

He's not isolated from the same issues all players have to deal with. If he goes down prior to his contract coming up, especially after going down last year to, he's not getting the monster pay day, or, nothing like he will if he stays healthy this year.
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doddpower
14 years ago
Warhawk,

I agree that he would not receive the same type of offers if he is hurt again this year. But if that happens and a team thinks he will be healthy by the beginning of the next season, I can still see a team like the Cowboys, Jets, Redskins, etc. offering him a contract he can't and won't refuse, simply because of the thoughts mentioned earlier about his best years being ahead of him and his amazing potential. Or at the very least, a contract that Thompson won't be willing to match. Although he has gotten bargain deals done many times.
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
You raise an interesting point. I find the insinuation made by many Ted Thompson haters that players don't like working for him to be rather amusing, since he has pretty frequently signed players back for less than they could have commanded on the open market. For whatever reason, players who settle in Green Bay more often than not seem to want to stay there.
UserPostedImage
14 years ago

Jermichael Finley is running routes again
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 22, 2011, 1:46 PM EDT
Jermichael Finley AP

2010 didnt turn out to be the Year of the Takeover for Jermichael Finley like he planned, but hes making progress towards a rebound.

Finley ran routes on Friday for the first time since injuring his knee last October. A league source named Jermichael Finley said he looked awesome.

Today was the first time since Week 5 that I caught a ball & ran routes. An my my my I look good, Finley wrote.

As we wrote last week, Finley needs to prove he can stay healthy before the Packers hand over a big contract extension.



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/22/jermichael-finley-is-running-routes-once-again/ 
zombieslayer
14 years ago


I thought only his wife and Simone Simons were capable of tiring zombieslayer out?

"Wade" wrote:



Jessica Biel would too. Just don't tell that Wade guy I said that.

Note to self - learn the correct definitions of words before posting. :cyclopsani:

Back to the topic, Get_Louder brings up an interesting point about J Walker. J Walker was the 2nd best WR Favre had (Favre is wrong, Sharpe was better than Walker). Walker could have been Larry Fitzgerald before Larry Fitzgerald but things happened.

Ted likes to pay people who produce, not on potential. There's a reason for that. I'm going to go with Ted here.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Jessica Biel would too. Just don't tell that Wade guy I said that.

Note to self - learn the correct definitions of words before posting. :cyclopsani:

Back to the topic, Get_Louder brings up an interesting point about J Walker. J Walker was the 2nd best WR Favre had (Favre is wrong, Sharpe was better than Walker). Walker could have been Larry Fitzgerald before Larry Fitzgerald but things happened.

Ted likes to pay people who produce, not on potential. There's a reason for that. I'm going to go with Ted here.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Did Brett Favre say Javon Walker was the best WR he had? I only remember him saying Javon went up and grabbed the ball better than anyone he's been teamed with. I'd agree Sterling Sharpe was a better WR than Javon Walker even at the height of Javon's career. I would also agree with Brett that no one adjusted to the ball and came down with it better than Javon Walker during his time as a Packer. Look at the Oakland game to see what I mean.

I think JerMichael Finley is superb at going up and coming down with the ball and probably better than what I remember of Javon Walker.
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longtimefan
14 years ago
He HAS to stay

My brother won a Woodson signed football and Finley mini helmet when we signed out a survey at the Viking game last year..

Since I wheeled him around to fill it out he gave me the mini from Finley...

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zombieslayer
14 years ago
Well, that just changes everything.

I hope we sign Finley now. :thumbright:

Zero - that's if I remember correctly. I think he said that but I don't remember the exact quote. You may be correct.
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