zombieslayer
14 years ago
I'm with get_louder here. Not at all anti-Finley, but MM consistently talks about "availability and accountability." He's serious about that. Finley's a beast. Not arguing that. Best TE in the NFL? Potentially. Injury prone? Look at his past.

IF he finishes 2011 with top 3 TE numbers, sign him long term. If he plays 5 games and gets hurt again....

Everyone knows I'm pro-pass. I'm also a realist and try not to see things with Green & Gold lenses. We all know Finley has potential. He just hasn't lived up to it yet. I'd be weary about making him the highest paid TE in the NFL if he doesn't complete a full season.
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doddpower
14 years ago

I'd be weary about making him the highest paid TE in the NFL if he doesn't complete a full season.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Don't worry, if he doesn't, it won't happen! Ted's smarter than that. Let's hope it does though! I'm OK with him missing a game or two for minor injuries, but that's about it.
Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Don't worry, if he doesn't, it won't happen! Ted's smarter than that. Let's hope it does though! I'm OK with him missing a game or two for minor injuries, but that's about it.

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If JerMichael Finley starts in 12-14 games, I'd consider that good. I don't think many TE's start/play in the full 16 games too often. I haven't researched this, so could be ass wrong.
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warhawk
14 years ago
Am I missing something or has this guy been hurt once and that was a fluke when he was trying to tackle somebody after a fumble?

It was unfortunate but he can hardly be called injury prone.

Looking at past numbers on Finley is a useless venture. They don't mean anything. What means something is the fact all the teams out there recognize the talent this guy has and the fact he is young and his best days are ahead of him. So if he's healthy this year and puts up the numbers NOBODY is going to look at his agent and say "well, he only caught 30 some passes a year before this." His agent will laugh in their face and say "fine....next?" And there will be a "next" team and that's all that really counts.

So obviously I am with Greg C on this one.
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earthquake
14 years ago

Don't worry, if he doesn't, it won't happen! Ted's smarter than that. Let's hope it does though! I'm OK with him missing a game or two for minor injuries, but that's about it.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



If JerMichael Finley starts in 12-14 games, I'd consider that good. I don't think many TE's start/play in the full 16 games too often. I haven't researched this, so could be ass wrong.

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Tony Gonzalez has missed 2 games since 1998, I'm not trying to call you out here, but just find this very interesting. I would have assumed it would be a lot more. I think its pretty relevant because Finley compares well to Gonzo, that tall WR type TE that gets a lot of catches.

I think if Finley wants to be the highest paid TE in the league, he needs to start acting like it, and that means starting in every/most game this year.

However, I actually wouldn't say he is particularly injury prone, if memory serves me correctly he was very raw in 2008, he didn't start early in 2009 not because of injuries, but immaturity. And he was hurt on a fluke play in 2010. The Justin Harrel comparisons are a little silly at this point.
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doddpower
14 years ago

Don't worry, if he doesn't, it won't happen! Ted's smarter than that. Let's hope it does though! I'm OK with him missing a game or two for minor injuries, but that's about it.

"earthquake" wrote:



If JerMichael Finley starts in 12-14 games, I'd consider that good. I don't think many TE's start/play in the full 16 games too often. I haven't researched this, so could be ass wrong.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Tony Gonzalez has missed 2 games since 1998, I'm not trying to call you out here, but just find this very interesting. I would have assumed it would be a lot more. I think its pretty relevant because Finley compares well to Gonzo, that tall WR type TE that gets a lot of catches.

I think if Finley wants to be the highest paid TE in the league, he needs to start acting like it, and that means starting in every/most game this year.

However, I actually wouldn't say he is particularly injury prone, if memory serves me correctly he was very raw in 2008, he didn't start early in 2009 not because of injuries, but immaturity. And he was hurt on a fluke play in 2010. The Justin Harrel comparisons are a little silly at this point.

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As I said, being healthy a majority of the season will alleviate most these concerns. However, just because some other GM would be willing to throw a big contract at the guy just based on talent doesn't mean anything to me. That happens all the time. The main point is availability, regardless of how the injuries happen (fluke or not). In an ideal world, yes, we would keep him even if he only plays a few games this season based on his potential. But, some team out there will be willing to pay him top dollar more than likely. The Packers have several players that could use a new contract soon and there's only so much money to go around, especially if a cap system comes back. It then becomes a matter of trying to find a way to pay everyone, or choosing who to let go. I'm not saying it should be Finley, but a strong case could be made against him if he misses significant time next season. Obviously stats don't tell the whole story, but production is generally what earns big contracts (with the exception of rookies, but hopefully that will be changing soon). If I was a GM, which obviously I'm not, I'd want to see significant production out of Finley this season to match some of the offers he's bound to receive.
14 years ago

Am I missing something or has this guy been hurt once and that was a fluke when he was trying to tackle somebody after a fumble?

It was unfortunate but he can hardly be called injury prone.

Looking at past numbers on Finley is a useless venture. They don't mean anything. What means something is the fact all the teams out there recognize the talent this guy has and the fact he is young and his best days are ahead of him. So if he's healthy this year and puts up the numbers NOBODY is going to look at his agent and say "well, he only caught 30 some passes a year before this." His agent will laugh in their face and say "fine....next?" And there will be a "next" team and that's all that really counts.

So obviously I am with Greg C on this one.

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If. Exactly. If.

What IF he doesn't? The whole thing I've been saying is that he hasn't done it yet. Why are so many people having trouble understanding such a simple concept? You just pretend the 2011 season already happened and Finely had a productive, healthy year, then argue based on that prediction like it it's a given. It's not a given, as last year illustrated. He was supposed to do that last year. It didn't happen.

You say it's a "fact that his best days are ahead of him". They probably are, but you can't call a prediction a fact. It seemed to be a fact after 2004 that Javon Walker's best days were ahead of him too. Walker had at that point shown much more than Finley has at this point. Five years and tens of millions of dollars of wasted money later, Walker has only had one more decent year and his career is likely over. Things don't always work out the way we predict that they will. Predictions are not facts, by definition.

Finley has shown some great spurts of the ability to be a dominant pass catching TE. Then he tore his meniscus. Not his fault, but it happened. Then he had knee surgery. Then he had an emergency second surgery for a staph infection in that knee. Again, not his fault, but part of the reality of the situation as it stands. He is coming off a knee surgery with complications.

And yes, you are missing something- He hasn't just been hurt once. He sprained his left knee in 2009, missing basically 4 games, and tore the meniscus in his right knee in 2010, missing 16 more including the postseason. Hopefully it's coincidental, and not a sign of things to come that he has had two knee injuries in the last two years. (Knocking on wood.)

Finely looks like he is uncoverable at times when healthy. That's why he gets talked about in the same conversation as Antonio Gates and Jason Witten. He has yet to put a full season together that comes anywhere close to their elite production, but he has had games, and stretches of games, that would rival any TE as far as production as a receiver.

He has also shown his immaturity and lack of professionalism more than once, from saying his QB should be using him better, to chronically missing meetings, to breaking curfew before a playoff game, to his public whining about the Super Bowl photo on twitter.

Moral of the story to me is that the future of Jermichael Finley is unwritten. Hopefully he comes back from his knee surgeries stronger than ever, and the injuries end up being nothing more than a footnote of his early career. Hopefully his immaturity fades and he grows into one of the best receiving TEs ever to play the game. Hopefully it happens sooner than later. Hopefully it has already started, and he goes on to have a great career as a Packer.

All I'm saying is that it hasn't happened yet. Simple stuff. I'd love to see him locked up to a long term contract just like everyone else, despite the misguided belief some of you seem to have gotten from my posts. I would just like to see him have an elite season, or a stretch longer than 7 games anyway, of actual elite production before they pay him elite money. Especially considering his well documented and admitted problems with immaturity. Throw big money at immature people and bad things often happen.
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

I'd be weary about making him the highest paid TE in the NFL if he doesn't complete a full season.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



I am sorry that making Finley the highest-paid TE in the league would tire you out. I personally would just be wary of doing such a thing. 😉
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

I'd be weary about making him the highest paid TE in the NFL if he doesn't complete a full season.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I am sorry that making Finley the highest-paid TE in the league would tire you out. I personally would just be wary of doing such a thing. ;)

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Edit, you fixed it in the three seconds it took me to find the graphic and respond. 🙂
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14 years ago

I'd be weary about making him the highest paid TE in the NFL if he doesn't complete a full season.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I am sorry that making Finley the highest-paid TE in the league would tire you out. I personally would just be wary of doing such a thing. ;)

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I thought only his wife and Simone Simons were capable of tiring zombieslayer out?
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