At the same time, what other tactic did they have? It's pretty clear in polls, protests, and public outcry that the democrats are standing for at least a loud minority

"musccy" wrote:

and according to polling a loud majority (I'm only talking union, not the pensions/HC which I, and the majority appear to view as a "necessary evil").

"musccy" wrote:

However, Walker/Fitzgerald have just demonstrated in the last 24 hours, that they're opperating under a carte blanche mentality that they have now proved can't be stopped or negotiated with.

"musccy" wrote:

Walker openly admitted that he never backs down. He said he never backed down in Milwaukee and he won't now. He seems hell-bent on pushing his agenda and not listening to the people. Wisconsin did elect him but that doesn't give him the right to become a dictator. Yes, I understand that he's not a complete dictator. Yes, I understand he's not the only agenda-pushing, stubborn and narrow-minded politician. But it just makes me angry how we're supposed to be voting in a person that represents the people, yet all these people we elect are only telling us what we want to hear until they're elected. Bunch of hogwash.

"djcubez" wrote:

Porforis - I'm not explaining myself well. If you watch Maddow she'll tell you up to 80% nationally opposed union busting - bullshit - I agree there are flaws in polling! That's why I'm reluctant to cite polls as facts to prove a point. However, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence in a variety of polls and unprecedented public outrage so that saying the union-supporters are a majority could at least be rationally argued. I just acknowledge that it's difficult to quantify definitively and sans bias.

Which leads to my frustration with Fitz-Walker. I really do support portions of his suggestions such as the 6% hikes - I just detest the rhetoric, obvious "hidden" political agendas masqueraded as a budget saving measure, and his tunnel vision which thwarts his ability to negotiate or compromise.

"musccy" wrote:

Scott Walker said he'd help the Wisconsin deficit, that's what he's trying to do.

You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

Don't think I disagree with anything here. Talking politics pisses me the hell off nowadays because 90% of people don't have the patience and decency to talk about things like adults. Thanks for being part of the 10%, we definitely don't need to agree but it's nice to see how much we have in common every so often. :)

"Porforis" wrote:

"djcubez" wrote:

To help prevent that day when the people demand their country back, the wealthy have done two very smart things:

1. They control the message. By owning most of the media they have expertly convinced many Americans of few means to buy their version of the American Dream and to vote for their politicians. Their version of the Dream says that you, too, might be rich some day this is America, where anything can happen if you just apply yourself! They have conveniently provided you with believable examples to show you how a poor boy can become a rich man, how the child of a single mother in Hawaii can become president, how a guy with a high school education can become a successful filmmaker. They will play these stories for you over and over again all day long so that the last thing you will want to do is upset the apple cart -- because you -- yes, you, too! -- might be rich/president/an Oscar-winner some day! The message is clear: keep your head down, your nose to the grindstone, don't rock the boat and be sure to vote for the party that protects the rich man that you might be some day.