zombieslayer
14 years ago
Heh. Could you imagine using "the ILB swatted at it" as an excuse?

Coach - Why didn't you catch that ball?

Player - The ILB swatted at it.

Coach - (too obscene to print)
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nerdmann
14 years ago

Heh. Could you imagine using "the ILB swatted at it" as an excuse?

Coach - Why didn't you catch that ball?

Player - The ILB swatted at it.

Coach - (too obscene to print)

"zombieslayer" wrote:





Not saying none of these should be caught. They all should be caught. HOWEVER, if you want to increase the probablity of completing a pass, it stands to reason that higher percentage plays would be more likely to be successful.
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mi_keys
14 years ago

This is one where Jones is just breaking away. I wouldn't say this is a low percentage play, it's mid-range. But I agree, being that Jones is almost always along the sidelines, the ball has to travel that much farther.



So now 10 yards is too far to throw the ball AND the sideline is too far to throw. You're leaving a very small window of the field to work with. I guess everyone should line up in the slot and run a 5 yard slant. Is that a high enough percentage play?
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Greg C.
14 years ago
I still say that scoring 24 points against the best defense in the league, which had given up an average of 15 per game during the season, is a very nice day's work for an offense.

Pack93z and macbob have mentioned the three turnovers by our defense as a reason that we should've won by more. That kind of misses the point, because this discussion is about offensive production, not margin of victory. Perhaps there needs to be a discussion about why our defense gave up 25 points in spite of the fact that it forced three turnovers. But that's not going to happen, because everybody loves our defense. And we ought to. Our defense got the job done--as did our offense.

Anyway, when I put the emphasis on the 24 points scored by our offense, I am throwing out one of the turnovers, which was a pick six. That one had nothing to do with the offense's performance. The other two turnovers both happened near midfield. The Packers got good field position off those turnovers, but there was still a lot of work to do. And yes, they got the job done.

I'm not on board with Zombie's "in your face!" tone throughout this thread, but I do think that basically he is right. The pass-happy attack worked. And I don't think it matters that Rodgers had run-pass options on a lot of plays. A pass is a pass. McCarthy would not have allowed those options for Rodgers if he thought the Packers absolutely needed to run the ball more.

I am fully in agreement with Pack93z, macbob, and others that an improved running game would be a big help for this team. I would like to see that next season. But the Packers are further proof that you can, in fact, win a championship with a very pass-oriented attack. The Patriots and Colts have done it too.

McCarthy did what was best with the players he had to work with: phenomenal QB, excellent receiving corps, so-so pass blocking O-line, pretty good RB, and lousy run-blocking O-line. I'm sure the Steelers are still having nightmares about what Rodgers, Nelson, Jennings, et al. did to them, and I'm guessing they would've been more than happy if the Packers had run the ball more than they did. With all due respect to James Starks, I don't think they were scared of him.

Late in the season, McCarthy was smart to do what Pack93z was suggesting and put more emphasis on the running game, but the running game had probably taken them about as far as it was going to take them. Against the #1 run defense in the league and a shaky secondary, I think McCarthy's play-calling mix was just about perfect, and Starks' 4.7 yards per carry is evidence of that. That's a very good average against that defense. Had they run the ball more, I think the average was more likely to go down than up.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

Perhaps there needs to be a discussion about why our defense gave up 25 points in spite of the fact that it forced three turnovers. But that's not going to happen, because everybody loves our defense. And we ought to.

"Greg C." wrote:



I think the discussion is not going to happen, or at least not be very prolific, because the causation is fairly obvious. Until Woodson, Shields, and Collins went down, the defense created two turnovers and held the Steelers to 3 points. It was only after they left the game that the Steelers were able to mount a comeback.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

Perhaps there needs to be a discussion about why our defense gave up 25 points in spite of the fact that it forced three turnovers. But that's not going to happen, because everybody loves our defense. And we ought to.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I think the discussion is not going to happen, or at least not be very prolific, because the causation is fairly obvious. Until Woodson, Shields, and Collins went down, the defense created two turnovers and held the Steelers to 3 points. It was only after they left the game that the Steelers were able to mount a comeback.

"Greg C." wrote:



Oh yes, of course. I was writing fast and focusing on the offense and totally overlooked the obvious. Good catch. I hope that's the only bad part of my post.
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evad04
14 years ago


Late in the season, McCarthy was smart to do what Pack93z was suggesting and put more emphasis on the running game, but the running game had probably taken them about as far as it was going to take them. Against the #1 run defense in the league and a shaky secondary, I think McCarthy's play-calling mix was just about perfect, and Starks' 4.7 yards per carry is evidence of that. That's a very good average against that defense. Had they run the ball more, I think the average was more likely to go down than up.

"Greg C." wrote:


I agree with your post. The problem is, there's often a huge difference between reality and perception. Take this example from a Tony Walter Green Bay Press-Gazette article:

The flight from Dallas to Minneapolis was filled with Packers fans, and one of them was sitting next to me, decked out in all the green and gold imaginable. Naturally, I asked him how he enjoyed the game. He had two major points to make.

The first was McCarthy's play-calling left a lot to be desired. The second was the Packers special teams were far from effective and needed to be fixed. I was surprised he wasn't critical of the way Aaron Rodgers was holding the Lombardi Trophy after the game, and relieved I wasn't sitting next to the man after a 6-10 Packers season.



This die-hard on the plane, we have more than a few of him in Packer nation. By comparison, so-called "expert" analysis in the wake of the big game cites playcalling as a strength in the game. It's a distinctly "fan" thing to always take a combative position against the head coach.
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nerdmann
14 years ago
I don't see why everyone's wetting their pants over the issue.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

It's a distinctly "fan" thing to always take a combative position against the head coach.

"evad04" wrote:



That might be a bit of an exaggeration. Fans were almost uniformly approving of McCarthy's game plan after the Patriots game, and the Packers lost!
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

It's a distinctly "fan" thing to always take a combative position against the head coach.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



That might be a bit of an exaggeration. Fans were almost uniformly approving of McCarthy's game plan after the Patriots game, and the Packers lost!

"evad04" wrote:



Packers win with a great defensive stand. Rourke says, "I don't trust Dom Capers, he needs to go".


I don't think it's much of an exaggeration if we through in coaches, rather than just the head coach. 😉
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