dyeah_gb
14 years ago
Starks should have gotten in on name recognition alone.

I know Rodgers should be higher on the list but I have mixed feelings about the pro bowl. Especially if we are still in contention. Football is not a sport that you can have a game that really doesn't count for anything. Baseball can get away with it because injuries are unlikely but it is hard to look at the pro bowl other than just a glorified preseason game.
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman
dyeah_gb
14 years ago

When I first read the posts that Greg Jennings didn't deserve to be in the PB I left it slid. Curiosity got the better of me and I went to look at the stats.

Just comparing the NFC WRs-
Jennings is 8th in total receptions with 72. But there is more than total number of receptions to be considered.
He is 2nd in yards with 1168.
1st in TD receptions at 12 (tied with Calvin Johnson)
3rd in 20+ yard receptions
3rd in 40+ yard receptions
7th in first down receptions
4th in the percent of receptions that go for first downs. (I arbitrarily used 65 receptions as the min as that would be a top 15 player in the NFC and top 25 overall.)

Overall he is just as good of a choice as anyone to be the 3rd /4th WR for the NFC.

"wpr" wrote:



And these stats area all after his drop in the Lions game! :)
Kidding aside, it is nice to see him get recognized, even if the pro bowl is hard to get into.
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14 years ago


So, the Pro Bowl has direct ties to the playoff picture? So much for fan votes, players votes and coaches votes, just check the playoff picture.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Don't be daft.

Year after year you see players whose teams are hot or hyped making the pro-bowl. Brees just won the Super Bowl, Ryan has taken his team to the playoffs with a possible top-seed and Vick is the story of the year. Sure you could say it might have been a toss-up between Rodgers and Ryan...but the Pack haven't looked as good as the Falcons this season and people are fickle voters.

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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Rockmolder
14 years ago

When I first read the posts that Greg Jennings didn't deserve to be in the PB I left it slid. Curiosity got the better of me and I went to look at the stats.

Just comparing the NFC WRs-
Jennings is 8th in total receptions with 72. But there is more than total number of receptions to be considered.
He is 2nd in yards with 1168.
1st in TD receptions at 12 (tied with Calvin Johnson)
3rd in 20+ yard receptions
3rd in 40+ yard receptions
7th in first down receptions
4th in the percent of receptions that go for first downs. (I arbitrarily used 65 receptions as the min as that would be a top 15 player in the NFC and top 25 overall.)

Overall he is just as good of a choice as anyone to be the 3rd /4th WR for the NFC.

"wpr" wrote:



+1.

It's become awfully popular around here to shout that Jennings is overrated.

There's a difference between making Chuck Norris jokes about him in the "Greg Jennigns is Awesome" thread and objectively looking at his body of work.

He could've gone after his 2008 season and he's very much deserving this year.

Don't know why everyone is so down on the Woodson selection, either. Don't get me wrong, this season isn't close to his DPotY season... But should it have to be?

Did he get in on his coverage skills alone? I very much doubt it. Career high in tackles, forced fumbles, a lot of passes defended.... He could've had a lot of interceptions.

He's still that guy who's always in the right spot to make a play.

Raji and Sitton are definite snubs. Raji should've gone in over Ratliff and Sitton could go in over Carl Nicks. I'm not sure who should make place for Williams, but I would've loved to see him at the Pro Bowl.

The good thing is, we'll see one or two more Packers, I reckon. Tramon's a first alternate. Maybe Woodson will be his key to the Pro Bowl. Rodgers is a first alternate. Sitton just "an alternate". If the Saints make the Super Bowl again, two guards and a QB will be out, clearing the way for both Sitton and Rodgers.

Of course, I'd rather just win the SB.
14 years ago
Tramon will be in next year, barring some kind of injury, if he has another season like this. People are *just* now learning his goldarn name. Not sure why so many are so surprised. The Woodson selection is similar to the Brees selection...he's the reigning DPOTY with a very high profile. I think the Jennings selection is more interesting than him simply being "selected" because it's likely a sign that he is finally starting to get the recognition he deserves.

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

bozz_2006 wrote:


Packers_Finland
14 years ago



Raji and Sitton are definite snubs. Raji should've gone in over Ratliff and Sitton could go in over Carl Nicks. I'm not sure who should make place for Williams, but I would've loved to see him at the Pro Bowl.

The good thing is, we'll see one or two more Packers, I reckon. Tramon's a first alternate. Maybe Woodson will be his key to the Pro Bowl. Rodgers is a first alternate. Sitton just "an alternate". If the Saints make the Super Bowl again, two guards and a QB will be out, clearing the way for both Sitton and Rodgers.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



I agree about Raji, but come on Sitton over Nicks? It would be painfully obvious that Nicks is better than Sitton even without profootballfocus research to back on, Nicks is far and away the best guard in the NFC this year. But Jahri Evans and Chris Snee seem to have gotten the 'reputation' pick over Sitton, since Evans and Snee haven't actually had the kind of seasons that put them in the Pro Bowl last year.

But Sitton is not just a Packer homer pick either, a lot of sites are voicing their dissatisfaction of a pedestrian performance by Snee going over Sitton to the Pro Bowl. Sitton has 0 allowed sacks this year. He should definetly be there.
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Rockmolder
14 years ago



Raji and Sitton are definite snubs. Raji should've gone in over Ratliff and Sitton could go in over Carl Nicks. I'm not sure who should make place for Williams, but I would've loved to see him at the Pro Bowl.

The good thing is, we'll see one or two more Packers, I reckon. Tramon's a first alternate. Maybe Woodson will be his key to the Pro Bowl. Rodgers is a first alternate. Sitton just "an alternate". If the Saints make the Super Bowl again, two guards and a QB will be out, clearing the way for both Sitton and Rodgers.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



I agree about Raji, but come on Sitton over Nicks? It would be painfully obvious that Nicks is better than Sitton even without profootballfocus research to back on, Nicks is far and away the best guard in the NFC this year. But Jahri Evans and Chris Snee seem to have gotten the 'reputation' pick over Sitton, since Evans and Snee haven't actually had the kind of seasons that put them in the Pro Bowl last year.

But Sitton is not just a Packer homer pick either, a lot of sites are voicing their dissatisfaction of a pedestrian performance by Snee going over Sitton to the Pro Bowl. Sitton has 0 allowed sacks this year. He should definetly be there.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Okay, let me put this differently, he had the chance to go over Nicks.

You don't beat out Ehvans. He should've had a season ending injury for that to happen. Snee is doable, but he had a very solid season, himself.

Sitton has been facing some of the best DTs in the league. Look at the NFCN... Tommie Harris, BJ Raji, Kevin Williams and Ndamukong Suh. That's quite a group of DTs.

The most iconic of Sitton's skill was when the Lions DTs stunted, Suh got on Colledge for the first time in the game and also got his first sack.

Nicks also has a little help from his friends. Just about the entire line is going, or has recently been, to the Pro Bowl. You can have some slipups that way.

Like I said, I believe that Sitton could go in over Nicks. He could go in over Snee, as well.
musccy
14 years ago
agreed with what Twinkie said.

Plus
Brees - 4400 yards, 32 TD - 21 INT, just won the super bowl holding his cute kid
Vick - maybe league MVP
Ryan - 3500ish yards, 26 TD, 9 INT, leading best team in conference
ARod - 3700ish yards, 27 TD, 10 INT.

Someone couldn't make it, I'm not at all surprised it wasn't Aaron. Greg C.made a good point about him coming on a little too late in the season as well.
Packers_Finland
14 years ago
But Rockmolder, you miss the fact that Nicks has, behind the scenes, been the most valuable lineman of the Saints. Stinchcomb and Evans are also good players, but ride mostly on their reputation.

I never disagreed Sitton shouldn't be in the Pro Bowl. Just not over Nicks. Nicks is the best guard in the NFC.
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millertime
14 years ago
Deaneglo Hall is a horrible cover corner. I believe he's given up more TDs than any other corner. Those 4 INTs Cutler gave him got him in. Tramon over him and Woodson, no question.
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