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all_about_da_packers
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And when he has to regain his voice from screaming at himself for calling a fucking TD throw on 4th and 1.

"peteralan71" wrote:

That was a great call.

Single man coverage. Jennings is being covered by Vasher - who clearly has nothing left.

No Safety help.

Jennings even beat his man - he had at least a step on Vasher. Flynn made a bad throw - he threw it too deep. The defense being played was a dream scenario, frankly, because our best WR was guaranteed to get free and there was no deep coverage over Jennings. And Jennings did get free.

Unfortunately, the QB threw too deep. That play call was right, IMO.

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#22

We could develop a laundry list from hell of issues with this team today.

1st and foremost, to me, is that this team can't run block worth a damn. We had max protects with 2 TEs and Quinn in at times and Jackson/Starks STILL were getting hit in the backfield.

"musccy" wrote:

Couldn't pass block either.

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#23

When will the Mike McCarthy Press Conference be?

"peteralan71" wrote:

Usually takes longer for him to have it when they're on the road.

"go.pack.go." wrote:

And when he has to regain his voice from screaming at himself for calling a fucking TD throw on 4th and 1.

"DanJustDan29" wrote:

Shit like this. There are multiple options on a pass play -- it wasn't four guys streaking down the field. Detroit had the box completely loaded. It was press coverage. The line had been dominated all day. Taking a shot there is honestly fine. Greg had him beat and the play almost happened.

AGAIN -- its unlikely the playcall was, "Go make it rain, Flynn. Disregard the other receivers and bomb it." But it was the read Flynn made, and had the throw been a bit more on, we'd be sitting here celebrating a comeback win.

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The entire offense was horrific even before Rodgers got hurt. I think they would've found a way to put together a decent second half had Rodgers been healthy, but.... Flynn was horrible, but so was the O-line. And the play calls on third and one and fourth and one at the end were bad too.

Ironically, you could argue that the game was lost on Flynn's longest completion, the pass to Jennings down the sideline. A good throw and that's a TD.

Also, on that last pass, a good throw is a TD and an underthrow is pass interference. But he overthrew it. I was hoping Flynn would at least play decently.

I think the biggest play of the game, though (not counting the injury to Rodgers), was Jennings failing to catch that deep ball in the first quarter. Instead of a TD, it became an interception. By the time Jennings got his head in the game, Flynn was in there, and he lacked the ability to get the ball to him deep.

As you said: Bad, bad loss.

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And when he has to regain his voice from screaming at himself for calling a fucking TD throw on 4th and 1.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:

"peteralan71" wrote:

Thats why it was a bad call, because you have to depend so much on him throwing it just right. WRs get overthrown all the time on deep routes during the game, then you try to have one on the most important play of the game, of course he is going to throw it too far, the pressure was immense. Look at the overthrow he had just before that across the middle. I saw they should have had a short crossing route or a curl.

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all_about_da_packers
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AGAIN -- its unlikely the playcall was, "Go make it rain, Flynn. Disregard the other receivers and bomb it." But it was the read Flynn made, and had the throw been a bit more on, we'd be sitting here celebrating a comeback win.

"evad04" wrote:

Honestly, Jennings is being single covered, in man coverage, by a corner who is past his prime and who made his living playing in zone coverage.

He was not going to cover Jennings. No safety help over top, either.

Flynn made the right read; a better ball and that is a TD because Jennings had his man beat.

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And when he has to regain his voice from screaming at himself for calling a fucking TD throw on 4th and 1.

"peteralan71" wrote:

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:

"peteralan71" wrote:

A called 4th and 1 defense is set up to take away the timing routes and short stuff. They basically dared Green Bay to go over the top. High percentage routes are high percentage against soft coverage, not aggressive press man-to-man.

If you want to criticize Flynn, go back to the INT in the endzone. The LB was there the whole time.

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"all_about_da_packers" wrote:

"evad04" wrote:

I've been in complete agreement with you this entire time.

William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
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I think the biggest play of the game, though (not counting the injury to Rodgers), was Jennings failing to catch that deep ball in the first quarter. Instead of a TD, it became an interception. By the time Jennings got his head in the game, Flynn was in there, and he lacked the ability to get the ball to him deep.

As you said: Bad, bad loss.

"Greg C." wrote:

Not saying the biggest play of the game, but the Quarless fumble was during a mini-drive when the team was moving well.

I don't know that the Packers 'deserved' to win this game regardless, but good gracious we had a more than our fair share of shotgun wounds in the foot!

go.pack.go.
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#30

When will the Mike McCarthy Press Conference be?

"peteralan71" wrote:

Usually takes longer for him to have it when they're on the road.

"go.pack.go." wrote:

And when he has to regain his voice from screaming at himself for calling a fucking TD throw on 4th and 1.

"DanJustDan29" wrote:

Yeah bad choice there. But he had him open, Flynn just made a bad throw.

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Matt Flynn lost this game. He is not an NFL caliber player, and will eventually be cut.

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#32

When an offense only scores 3 points in 4 quarters, you can't blame it on any one call or any one play.

This was a group fail.

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all_about_da_packers
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"peteralan71" wrote:

You're not going to get a better shot to score a TD. Frankly, if you can't trust your QB (even back-up) to make that throw then you need a new back-up.

Against the Vikings at Lambeau, Flynn made a similar throw on 4th down, but Quarless simply failed to get it. There is evidence that Flynn can make that throw. And we needed a TD.

All things considered, you are almost never going to see a team try to single cover Jennings with a corner groomed in zone coverage. The Lions did, and the Packers rightfully tried to take advantage of that. The pressure wasn't an issue on that play - Flynn had time to get off a good ball but overthrew it a touch.

You could say, given Flynn's earlier misthrows on crossing routes that those are not throws he is good at either. Frankly we weren't running the ball well either.

We needed a TD. the coverage on that play was to stop anything short. It's frankly a dream scenario - Jennings single covered by a CB who can't keep up with him who has no help over the top - that I'd be comfortable taking any situation where we need a TD to win.

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musccy
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#34

Matt Flynn lost this game. He is not an NFL caliber player, and will eventually be cut.

"dhpackr" wrote:

I really want to pin this on him, and undoubtedly he had some bad throws (WAY off on slant to GJ just b4 his pick, missed Driver on easy 5 yarder near sideline nearly picked)...but in his defense, ARod wasn't doing a hell of a lot either, and our OLine must have been in KC with the Giants or something because they sure as hell didn't show up to Detroit today.

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#35

No Flynn interception with atleast a little bit of a running game, just saying.

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all_about_da_packers
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#36

Matt Flynn lost this game. He is not an NFL caliber player, and will eventually be cut.

"dhpackr" wrote:

Yes, because he clearly had ample time to throw the ball. It isn't like our o-line was getting manhandled or anything... :roll:

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all_about_da_packers
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No Flynn interception with atleast a little bit of a running game, just saying.

"packer98" wrote:

So, you're saying you do not want to target Donald Driver when he has a rookie CB that has been on the opposing team for less than one week? Because that is the scenario we found ourselves in.

Frankly, it was a poor read by Flynn - but you shouldn't be shocked by that because he has barely seen any extensive action to work on picking up a DE dropping in zone coverage.

That was just a terribly bad read by Flynn... but I'm not so sure I'd run it in a situation where our o-line is getting manhandled and we have a pretty damn good WR is being covered by a novice who has had less than a week with his new team.

Again, today very few RBs could have done much when they could barely get into a gap. Our o-line didn't exactly dominate the other guys... if you hadn't noticed.

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Matt Flynn lost this game. He is not an NFL caliber player, and will eventually be cut.

"dhpackr" wrote:

Its not like the O was so much better in the first half. This was a team loss. Flynn kind of sucked but he had more scoring drives (1) than the team had in the first half (0).

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Alright. Daddy just got a little angry. It's ok.
It WAS Matt Flynn's fault. Agreed. I'm just beside myself at the entire game. We're better than that.

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Frankly, it was a poor read by Flynn - but you shouldn't be shocked by that because he has barely seen any extensive action to work on picking up a DE dropping in zone coverage.

That was just a terribly bad read by Flynn... but I'm not so sure I'd run it in a situation where our o-line is getting manhandled and we have a pretty damn good WR is being covered by a novice who has had less than a week with his new team.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:

What frustrated me is if you watch that play he was looking directly at the corner and the DE who dropped back, but just didn't pay any attention.

It's like the damning tunnel-vision focus a 14 year old boy gets when he sees the neighbor's mom topless, changing in the window...not noticing her husband, who is mowing the lawn 3 feet in front of him, watching the punk oggle his wife.

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