Demagoguing the mosque and Islam· Page 4

all_about_da_packers
Senior Member

14 years ago

Plus, their so called "holy book" says they SHOULD kill anyone that doesn't follow their 'religion".

"Cheesey" wrote:

Quick note: their "holy book" (the Qu'ran) is actually in Arabic.

In other words, to understand the English meaning of what is said, someone has to actually translate what is said. Any English translation is, therefore, an exegesis of someone that occupies a certain life world. Put simply, interpretations are not done in an individual vacuum.

From my discussions with those that have spent the better part of their intellectual careers studying Islamic Theology and Mythology, I've been told that where the Qu'ran actually talks about the harm that will be brought to unbelievers of "the book". Interestingly, more than a few scholars (and all those whom I have talked to) have interpreted that to not include Christians and Jews, since the Qu'ran (surprise, surprise) actually establishes the Bible and Torah as revelations from God.

Who knew? Well, I guess those that actually take the time to read and study their "holy book". But why bother listening to them?

The NFL: Where Greg Jennings Happens.

porky88
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#32

Good for Ron Paul. At least one republican had the balls to say whats right.

The KKK claim their Christian. I suppose we should demonize all Christians and claim that they share their view.

My point is I hope that this country doesn't believe we're at war with Muslims. We're not! We're at war with Terrorists, who happen to be Muslim. Just like the KKK are insane, but that doesn't mean all Christians are as well.

Quite frankly, some of the comments I read about this and heard disturbed me a bit. People need to learn how to come out of their shell and widen their world view. Particularly the current generation running things. Stop buying into propaganda on TV and actually humble yourself a bit.

For the record, America shouldn't bring itself down to the level of other countries because they don't have tolerance for other religions. When that day comes, then that's a sad day. What makes America better is that it accepts a variety of views.

http://www.row12.com/

IronMan
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#33

Plus, their so called "holy book" says they SHOULD kill anyone that doesn't follow their 'religion".

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:

"Cheesey" wrote:

Spoken like a true politician. However, you could have explained it in just a few words:

So what exactly IS in the the Qu'ran?

[youtube]j4XT-l-_3y0[/youtube]

Packers_Finland
Registered

14 years ago

#34

Plus, their so called "holy book" says they SHOULD kill anyone that doesn't follow their 'religion".

"Cheesey" wrote:

No it actually doesn't. You should do more research than to fall prey to one of the most idiotic misconceptions of all time.

I heard the nut cases called "a random few". Yet there is alot more Muslims that believe in killing us "infidels" then you would probably believe.

"Cheesey" wrote:

You know this how? I happen to know quite a few people of Islamic faith as Finland has a lot of immigrants from the Middle East. None of them are terrorists. How many muslim people do you know that have connections to terrorist organizations?

I don't see true Christians running around saying we should kill everyone that doesn't believe as we do.
Trust me.....if they could get away with it, they would kill you and your family.

"Cheesey" wrote:

Haha, no. Just no. Seriously. The Qu'ran doesn't say they should kill people of different faith. Just because some terrorists do, it doesn't everyone does. And since I'm sure innocent civilians have died during wars in the Middle East, I'm sure some of them even think that Christians kill you and your family. Try looking at it from a different point of view.

I knew (and lived with for a short time) a Muslim. Before i lived with him, i thought he was one of the nicest people i ever met. Then i started seeing the REAL him. He told me straight out he HATED America with a passion. Yet he CHOSE to become a citizen. When i asked him about the oath he took here, he told me he would say anything, it didn't mean he meant it.
THAT my friends is how most of them see us. They "put up" with us, cause for now, they have to.
THAT is REALITY.

"Cheesey" wrote:

No, it is not reality.

And really, if he hates America, let him. A lot of Finns still hate Russians because of the wars we've had in the past. It doesn't mean we're going to hunt and kill russians within our borders.

This is a placeholder

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

#35

This is all I have to say to anyone who thinks Ron Paul is a "liberal": there are truly no words to describe the profundity of your ignorance. Please do a little more research than six o'clock news soundbites and Republican talking points and actually educate yourself.

doddpower
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#36

For the record, America shouldn't bring itself down to the level of other countries because they don't have tolerance for other religions. When that day comes, then that's a sad day. What makes America better is that it accepts a variety of views.

"Porky88" wrote:

This is a really good point. We are supposed to be America, right? The country that isn't like all of those other countries? We're supposed to be better than that. Just because a country does something that is completely ignorant does not justify the US doing it. All that does is perpetuate the cycle of violence and hate. When we do the exact same things as other countries, we are no different then the others and hence should not act as if we are.

This situation blows my mind and some people truly amaze me. I agree with others it is a dumb decision to want to put it there, but if we continue picking and choosing parts of the constitution to ignore, then where will the limit be? Any areas that are "sensitive?" I guess that so called Big government should step in and stop this, right? Since Big government is such a bad thing . . . except for when it's something some agree with?

Formo
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#37

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Who said that?

Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!

zombieslayer
Registered

14 years ago

#38

I agree with others it is a dumb decision to want to put it there, but if we continue picking and choosing parts of the constitution to ignore, then where will the limit be?

"doddpower" wrote:

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

Cheesey
Preferred Member

14 years ago

#39

Well....those of you that choose to ignore the high amount of Muslims that also happen to be terrorists, that's your "right" i guess.
Are there people that "use" religion as a way to get what they want? Rapists, and so on? Yes.
I don't remember too many times where they strapped bombs to themselves or flew planes into buildings to kill thousands of people at a time though.
I'm talking about those that want to kill as many of us as they can.
72 virgins......for doing WHAT i might ask???
Yeah i'm not P.C.
I guess that's a reason to ignore what is truely happening in the world, and listen to those that want to lull us into a false sense of security.
People tried to say the KKK was'nt dangerous. Look what THEY did. Until people opened up there eyes and accepted the truth about them.
I guess sticking your head in the sand or putting your fingers into your ears and saying "la la la" is better then being aware of whats really going on in the world.
That's ok.....it will make it alot easier when we are taken over.

all_about_da_packers
Senior Member

14 years ago

#40

Well....those of you that choose to ignore the high amount of Muslims that also happen to be terrorists, that's your "right" i guess.

"Cheesey" wrote:

Do not conflate insurgents with terrorists - many insurgents exist in Muslim countries due to the fractured and corrupt regimes that have seized power and control.

There are, to put a conservative number, 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. You are basing your generalizations off of how many? Let's include the one Muslim douche you lived with. What's the total up to? Let's say you are talking about (directly or indirectly) 200 Muslims - a very generous estimate).

Extrapolating from 200 onto 1.5 billion people. Some might call that 'telling it like it is'.

I call it being mathematically illiterate.

I'm talking about those that want to kill as many of us as they can.
72 virgins......for doing WHAT i might ask???

"Cheesey" wrote:

Where did you get the '72 virgins' thing from? You know, it's funny because shortly after 9/11 I asked many of my Muslim friends and even a couple of Professors with a Ph. D. in Islamic Studies about that very thing - getting 72 virgins in paradise for killing innocent people.

All of them - and I mean more than 20 - said they had never read or even heard of the '72 virgins' thing until after 9/11.

So either your sources of information are wrong, or my Muslim friends and Professors cannot read.

Honestly, I think you are being highly unfair in lumping a whole lot of people in with the worst of their kind.

The NFL: Where Greg Jennings Happens.

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

beast (5m) : What is he supposed to say? He doesn't want players currently on the team?

Martha Careful (4h) : meh

Zero2Cool (8h) : Sounds like Walker and Wyatt will be with Packers for beyond 2026

Zero2Cool (8h) : It's so awesome.

Zero2Cool (8h) : new site fan shout post fast

wpr (11h) : Slow posting in Fan shout.

wpr (11h) : Only 4

Zero2Cool (14h) : If only we had a topic to read about and discuss it. That's something new website must have!!!

dfosterf (15h) : Justice Musqueda over at Acme Packing put up an excellent synopsis of the Packers 1st round options this am

wpr (19-Apr) : 5 days

beast (18-Apr) : 6 days

wpr (17-Apr) : 7 days

Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : sounds like Packers don't get good compensation, Jaire staying

dfosterf (16-Apr) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount

dfosterf (16-Apr) : Trade, cut or keep

dfosterf (16-Apr) : that from Jaire

dfosterf (16-Apr) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'

Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"

dfosterf (16-Apr) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it

Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.

dfosterf (16-Apr) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent

dfosterf (16-Apr) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility

dfosterf (16-Apr) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission

dfosterf (16-Apr) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers

Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : That someone ... likely the agent.

Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.

Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.

Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.

dfosterf (16-Apr) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"

dfosterf (16-Apr) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that

dfosterf (16-Apr) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?

Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent

Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Jalen Ramsey wants to be traded. He's never happy is he?

Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : two 1sts in 2022 and two 2nd's in 2023 and 2024

Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers had fortunate last three drafts.

dfosterf (15-Apr) : I may have to move

dfosterf (15-Apr) : My wife just told the ancient Japanese sushi dude not enough rice under his fish

Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I think a dozen is what I need

dfosterf (14-Apr) : Go fund me for this purpose just might work. A dozen nurses show up at 1265 to provide mental health assistance.

dfosterf (14-Apr) : Maybe send a crew of Angels to the Packers draft room on draft day.

Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I am the Angel that gets visited.

dfosterf (14-Apr) : Visiting Angels has a pretty good reputation

Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : what

Martha Careful (14-Apr) : WINNING IT, not someone else losing it. The best victory though was re-uniting with his wife

Martha Careful (14-Apr) : The manner in which he won it was just amazing and wonderful. First blowing the lead then getting back, then blowing it. But ultimately

Zero2Cool (12-Apr) : I'm guessing since the thumb was broken, he wasn't feeling it.

dfosterf (10-Apr) : Looking for guidance. Not feeling the thumb.

Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : If they knew about it or not

Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : I don't recall that he did which is why I asked.

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2024 Packers Schedule

Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM

Eagles

29 - 34

Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM

COLTS

16 - 10

Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM

Titans

30 - 14

Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

29 - 31

Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM

Rams

24 - 19

Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM

CARDINALS

34 - 13

Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM

TEXANS

24 - 22

Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM

Jaguars

30 - 27

Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

14 - 24

Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM

Bears

20 - 19

Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM

49ERS

38 - 10

Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM

DOLPHINS

30 - 17

Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM

Lions

31 - 34

Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM

Seahawks

30 - 13

Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM

SAINTS

34 - 0

Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM

Vikings

25 - 27

Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM

BEARS

22 - 24