Formo
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14 years ago
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17 year old kid jumped the fence. Called his dad prior to doing as such and told him he was going to do it.

Got tased.

Discuss: Are tasers a legitimate deterant for those types of game interuptions?
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IronMan
14 years ago

Discuss: Are tasers a legitimate deterant for those types of game interuptions?

"Formo" wrote:


Absolutely.
Formo
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14 years ago
IM, I agree. I've seen some big time whining on message boards and such about this, and I laugh.

People act as if tasing someone borders on serious injury. Funny.. had the kid done this in Yankee Stadium, he would have been brutally tackled. There's more of a chance of him getting hurt in NYC than getting tased.

But tasing someone is just too much!!! /end sarcasm
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Pack93z
14 years ago
They (idiot fans) are trespassing plain and simple, without the known intent they have, I see no issue with some electric current being expended upon them.

The rules are clear.. your boundary ends at the edge of the fan section.
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Wade
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14 years ago
The question, ISTM, are two:

1. Should the landowner be able to use force against a trespasser. IMO, yes. (Of course: I'm a big private property guy from way back.)

2. Is a taser a morally proportionate response? IMO, no. It's like the scene in Hancock where Hancock sticks one annoyance's head up another annoyance's ass. Oh, it's hilarious on one level -- I laugh along with most I think -- but if were done for real, I think it's disproportionate. Hancock has enough power to "deal with the problem" without going overboard. IMO, the Phillies have more than enough power to deal with such fans without tasing them.

One immoral act (the bonehead kid's) does not make moral another immoral act.
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IronMan
14 years ago

The question, ISTM, are two:

1. Should the landowner be able to use force against a trespasser. IMO, yes. (Of course: I'm a big private property guy from way back.)

2. Is a taser a morally proportionate response? IMO, no. It's like the scene in Hancock where Hancock sticks one annoyance's head up another annoyance's ass. Oh, it's hilarious on one level -- I laugh along with most I think -- but if were done for real, I think it's disproportionate. Hancock has enough power to "deal with the problem" without going overboard. IMO, the Phillies have more than enough power to deal with such fans without tasing them.

One immoral act (the bonehead kid's) does not make moral another immoral act.

"Wade" wrote:


Whether or not you think it is immoral is irrelevant. He was out running security and was considered a threat. There is no was of telling what his intentions were, and he needed to be dropped immediately.
alharrisdude31
14 years ago
its funny when fat people get tasered, they jiggle
i wonder if he jiggled?
djcubez
14 years ago
I hate the police and I hate tasers so obviously I think it was excessive. I remember hearing somewhere that when cops first introduced tasered they were deemed to be a lesser violent way to apprehend a potentially violent suspect and would only be used when deemed necessary. Now a security guard at a baseball game is tasing a 17 year-old kid that decided to run onto the field? Yuck. Yea, I agree the kid had whatever was coming to him because he did break the law but still, this is a bit ridiculous. Police have too much power and can get away  with practically anything. 
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
The fact is ... no one knows what the intentions of a "fan" running on the field are. I'd rather them tazed then seeing a bunch of guards chasing him around or my favorite athlete get hurt body slamming him to the ground.

Look, it's obvious and most common sense that you don't belong on the field. You know something is going to happen to you.

You break the rules, you suffer the consequences.

I hope they tazed his ass a few times for being such an idiot.
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Wade
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14 years ago
Sigh.

Not everyone who acts like a moron is a terrorist or a danger to society.

If everyone got zapped every time they did something moronic we might as well all audition for the Wile E Coyote role in some upcoming big budget Roadrunner flick.

Kevin is right. No one *knows* what his intentions are. But you're not supposed to be able to punish people every time you think there's a possibility that they might be up to sociopathic violence.

That's a Donald Rumsfeld/Patriot Act type bullshit. Frankly, I think anyone who thinks the kid should be tased just because he rushed onto a pro baseball diamond should be lined up for a taser shot for every publicly moronic thing they have done in their lives.

Because I'm sorry, every irresponsible kid isn't a candidate for tasing just because he happens to be doing it at Yankee Stadium instead of the local park.

If the Phillies are afraid some random PCP addict or some nonrandom terrorist is going to be running onto the field, then they ought to be hiring top of the line security experts who can tell the difference between a immediate menace and a drunk kid.

I can't tell from my position in the stands what the kid is. But there are professionals out there who are damn good at it. If you're worried about a danger, you hire a professional. You don't just empower some shmo to use violence of his choice.

Maybe the taser-user is such a professional. Then I'd trust his/her judgment. But there are a fuckload of private security types who are no more competent to judge the use of force than I am. And if that taser-user was such a type, then that use was immoral.

If the security dude isn't competent to judge the use of force, then it would be better to have said security dude chasing the moron around the field for awhile.

Yes, IronMan, it is wholly irrelevant whether *I* think it's immoral or not. Agreed. I know none of the parties concerned. I wasn't there.

But it remains absolutely relevant whether it *is* immoral or not.

I believe in a near absolute constitutional right to bear arms. (And the only reason I add the qualifier "near" is because there might be a situation I'm unaware of where that right falls by the wayside.) And the right to bear arms brings with it, IMO, the right to use those arms.

But while I think that right to bear arms nearly absolute, I also believe that certain exercises of that right are immoral. IMO someone who loads a hunting rifle without understanding basic weapons safety is acting immorally, no matter how much I defend his right to load that rifle.

And the same goes for a taser. Just because the taser doesn't bring with it the same danger that the rifle (or a car, for that matter) does, doesn't mean it does no harm. It does mental harm. And, if the tasee has certain unobvious conditions, physical harm as well.

Use of a taser, however legal, can be immoral.

And immorality matters.

If we ignore questions of morality, then that bastard Thomas Hobbes was right. And I refuse to accept that.

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