Formo
15 years ago

My problem with chastity and abstinence is that educators attempt to get away with it as the only sex education you need. A lot of kids are just taught "not to do it" and are not given any formal education on STD's or contraception. So when one of these "retarded teenagers" actually decides to engage in sexual activity they are putting themselves in a more dangerous position than a person who has been taught about it. I have nothing against people who choose abstinence but everyone should be taught how to engage in safe sexual activity, regardless of whether or not they foresee themselves doing so.

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I skimmed through this the first time I saw it. Forgive me for double-quoting it, but I have one issue with this paragraph.. I've seen more than a few people complain that the only sex-ed kids are getting by educators is abstinence. I gotta say that is false. Schools back in the late 90's (when I was in HS) would give out condoms and free sit-down sessions with a councilor with ZERO parental knowledge. Now, some kids needs that stuff, because their parents were virtually non-existent. But the school didn't know, nor did it care.

No, educators are teaching kids how a penis and vagina work, more specifically, how they work together. And how to help protect one's self from STDs/babies.

Again, I have no issue with schools teaching kids that. But I feel the parents have to choose whether or not their kids are going to be educated on that stuff.
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Formo
15 years ago

lol. +1

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Glad I made you laugh. lol Wasn't my full intention, actually. I just get sick of some of the sexual tyranny women put men through... And when I hear about stuff (like the examples you mentioned), I imagine myself in that situation and what I'd do. Which would probably explain my reply. lol
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zombieslayer
15 years ago



I have many friends whom are virgins. Now, I don't know what they were ONLY taught, but I do know they were also taught abstinence. Somewhere along the lines, they made the decision to be abstinent until marriage.

That's something I planned on doing, too. I only have ever had one sexual partner, we ended up not making it to marriage (considering it took me about 2+ years of courtship before I proposed, and another 2+ years of being engaged.. lol). I was pulled out of sex ed classes. Not because my mom (step-mom) didn't want me to learn that stuff.. but because she didn't want to learn it from some stranger/video. When we asked questions, she answered.

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Formo - It's all a numbers game, my friend. People can be taught all the right things and still do something stupid. People can be taught something stupid and do something brilliant. We got free will.

But statistically, people with a healthy sexual education (Western Europeans) fare much better than people with abstinence only programs (like many programs here in the States). Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not at all pro-Europe. I'm all for bombing a random European nation every five years. I'm just saying that sexually, they're ahead of us.

It's all stats. I applaud you for being able to hold off. Props. That's something I couldn't do. Our son was a mistake, an oops. She decided to keep him and we're happy for it. He turned out a good kid and years later, we finally married. I got educated the right way but I had way too much sex and sooner or later statistically, one would have gotten through. Condoms are only something like 97% against pregnancy. But of course, 97% is WAY better than 0%.
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Cheesey
15 years ago

My problem with chastity and abstinence is that educators attempt to get away with it as the only sex education you need. A lot of kids are just taught "not to do it" and are not given any formal education on STD's or contraception. So when one of these "retarded teenagers" actually decides to engage in sexual activity they are putting themselves in a more dangerous position than a person who has been taught about it. I have nothing against people who choose abstinence but everyone should be taught how to engage in safe sexual activity, regardless of whether or not they foresee themselves doing so.

The whole Palin situation? I get irked a bit by the man thing to. I don't have many facts on the case but say Levi wanted Bristol to get an abortion or give it up for adoption. Bristol obviously wouldn't go through with it and after giving birth requests child support from Levi. Why should he have to pay for a child he didn't want? I feel like the man is cornered here because of the woman's decision. It was mutual for them to have sex and for one reason or another she got pregnant. It was not mutual for them to have a child but because she wants it he has to pay for it. Imagine the reverse--that Levi wants the child but Bristol doesn't. Bristol can go through with the abortion or adoption because it's her body. Basically, if you as a male impregnate a women during mutual intercourse it's almost completely up to her as to what to do about it and you have to face the consequences regardless.

Now in the case of Bristol and Levi, in my opinion both the kids are pretty naive so I really don't care what happens lol.

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If you don't want a kid, DON'T HAVE SEX. The man is 100% responsible for his own actions. I don't CARE if it was "mutual" or not. If he's willing to put his dick where it doesn't belong, then MAN UP and take the consequences. In the end, as i said. unless she RAPED him, he's ALONE is responsible for his actions, and has the responsibility to pay because he played.
He COULD have said "NO!".
He didn't, and thus must pay for his 10 minutes of "fun".
Everyone knows the possible consequences. You'd have to be the dumbest person alive NOT to know what might happen if you put "tab A into slot B".
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Formo
15 years ago

My problem with chastity and abstinence is that educators attempt to get away with it as the only sex education you need. A lot of kids are just taught "not to do it" and are not given any formal education on STD's or contraception. So when one of these "retarded teenagers" actually decides to engage in sexual activity they are putting themselves in a more dangerous position than a person who has been taught about it. I have nothing against people who choose abstinence but everyone should be taught how to engage in safe sexual activity, regardless of whether or not they foresee themselves doing so.

The whole Palin situation? I get irked a bit by the man thing to. I don't have many facts on the case but say Levi wanted Bristol to get an abortion or give it up for adoption. Bristol obviously wouldn't go through with it and after giving birth requests child support from Levi. Why should he have to pay for a child he didn't want? I feel like the man is cornered here because of the woman's decision. It was mutual for them to have sex and for one reason or another she got pregnant. It was not mutual for them to have a child but because she wants it he has to pay for it. Imagine the reverse--that Levi wants the child but Bristol doesn't. Bristol can go through with the abortion or adoption because it's her body. Basically, if you as a male impregnate a women during mutual intercourse it's almost completely up to her as to what to do about it and you have to face the consequences regardless.

Now in the case of Bristol and Levi, in my opinion both the kids are pretty naive so I really don't care what happens lol.

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If you don't want a kid, DON'T HAVE SEX. The man is 100% responsible for his own actions. I don't CARE if it was "mutual" or not. If he's willing to put his dick where it doesn't belong, then MAN UP and take the consequences. In the end, as i said. unless she RAPED him, he's ALONE is responsible for his actions, and has the responsibility to pay because he played.
He COULD have said "NO!".
He didn't, and thus must pay for his 10 minutes of "fun".
JMO

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Alan, knowing how much a douche bucket Levi is, he didn't even have 10 minutes of fun.. I bet it was more like 3 seconds.
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15 years ago



I have many friends whom are virgins. Now, I don't know what they were ONLY taught, but I do know they were also taught abstinence. Somewhere along the lines, they made the decision to be abstinent until marriage.

That's something I planned on doing, too. I only have ever had one sexual partner, we ended up not making it to marriage (considering it took me about 2+ years of courtship before I proposed, and another 2+ years of being engaged.. lol). I was pulled out of sex ed classes. Not because my mom (step-mom) didn't want me to learn that stuff.. but because she didn't want to learn it from some stranger/video. When we asked questions, she answered.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Formo - It's all a numbers game, my friend. People can be taught all the right things and still do something stupid. People can be taught something stupid and do something brilliant. We got free will.

But statistically, people with a healthy sexual education (Western Europeans) fare much better than people with abstinence only programs (like many programs here in the States). Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not at all pro-Europe. I'm all for bombing a random European nation every five years. I'm just saying that sexually, they're ahead of us.

It's all stats. I applaud you for being able to hold off. Props. That's something I couldn't do. Our son was a mistake, an oops. She decided to keep him and we're happy for it. He turned out a good kid and years later, we finally married. I got educated the right way but I had way too much sex and sooner or later statistically, one would have gotten through. Condoms are only something like 97% against pregnancy. But of course, 97% is WAY better than 0%.

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I fail to see any abstinence only programs here in the states. This is my issue. Yeah, Sunday schools and church programs are going to teach only abstinence, but that's a given. You know this going in. The public paid for schools and colleges are as liberal as they come when it comes to sex ed. This is my issue. If you are going to hand out condoms/wire hangers with no questions to these kids, at least teach them the moral principles of being sexual responsible.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
It just occurred to me that perhaps the most effective anti-abortion strategy pro-lifers could take would be to legally and unambiguously grant the woman's complete right to choose -- with the proviso that the man is given equal and inalienable right to choose. In other words, call women's bluff.

In effect, we'd be telling women: "All right. You want the right to kill a child without consulting the father, whether or not he wants it? Done. Go for it. But men now have equal right to choose. You no longer have any legal right to sue for child support if the father disclaims responsibility for the child. If at any time over the course of the child's development, the father decides he no longer wants the child, you are on your own."

That would bring down the rate of pro-choice sentiment in this country in a hurry and probably would also reduce the abortion rate, without necessitating the outright illegalization of abortion.

Because after almost three decades of favoring the banning of abortion nationwide, I've come to the conclusion that that would be the worst move pro-lifers could make. Illegalizing anything, as economist Diane Boyle points out in her book Sex, Drugs, and Economics, is a de facto subsidy of it. Why did we have gun-toting gangster patrolling the streets in the 1920s and 1930s? Because after Prohibition, alcohol was obscenely profitable. Likewise, why are social institutions along the border in a state of virtual collapse with the entrenchment of the drug lords? Because drugs are obscenely profitable. Why did the Golden Age of the Gangster end overnight with the repeal of the 18th Amendment? Because the lifting of Prohibition instantly destroyed the profit margin on alcohol. Similarly, were we to legalize drugs in this country, the drug cartel infrastructure would vanish overnight. Whereas illegalizing abortion would almost instantly create a parallel (i.e., black) market and would very literally subsidize the procedure. It might reduce absolute volume, but it would drastically increase profit margin. And if abortion is immoral, then subsidizing it with the fiat of government surely is even more immoral.
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Cheesey
15 years ago
That's the problem. The schools don't teach RESPONSIBILITY. If you get a girl pregnant, just pay $200 and the "problem" will "dissapear". (Meaning: Just KILL the unwanted "problem".) That's society's answer. That allows you to "do what feels good" and not have to worry about any consequences.
But try to bring a BIBLE into a school and see what happens. All HELL will break loose, and it will be on TV. (Just happened in Racine Wisconsin. Saw it on today's news. Boy got suspended for it). But give a kid the way to abort a kid while your in school, and it's just fine.
And we wonder why our country is going down hill.
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Cheesey
15 years ago
Non....problem is......give a man a choice to have sex, and most of the time he will. He won't CARE at the moment that it may cost him if the woman decides to kill or NOT kill the child. His DICK does his thinking.......unfortunately.
LATER on he may think "Boy....that was stupid". But at the moment, he doesn't consider the possibilities. He let's his "little head" do the thinking for him.
That has got MANY men in trouble.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I'm sorry to hear that the members of my sex are such horny blockheads. I know I personally turn down more opportunities for sex than I accept. Ask my wife -- it drives her frickin' nuts. 😉
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