musccy
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14 years ago
To piggyback off of TheEngineer, I don't see how the D has improved. If the 'additional year in a scheme' argument were valid, then the packers should have improved throughout 2009, yet the Pittsburgh and AZ games were two of the worst all year, exposing the secondary.

The defense from the AZ game is virtually identical to what will play vs. Philly, with the exception of Raji starting at nose, and Burnett at safety. Raji is sort of a lateral move, and Burnett is a marginal upgrade.

I trust that the O can be extremely explosive in 2010, but it was in the AZ game and look at the outcome!
dfosterf
14 years ago

at least bush is on the bottom of the depth chart this year its better than him starting as the nickel corner lmao.

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+1 for (mostly) putting up with our grammar bullshit, plus you ARE bringing good subjects to the discussion.

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Finley88Beast
14 years ago
ya but think about it you didn't think that there would be some learning curve and it was the first year in that scheme of course there not gonna be perfect.I think being in the 2nd year of the scheme improved the defense a little bit not greatly but at least a little bit.Yes yes we got thrown on by some great QB's but at least we made are defense better from 2008 to 2009 and tell how the players are not better by understanding the scheme and being more comfortable in it?At least I think we improved some by being in year 2 of the 3-4.
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Greg C.
14 years ago
I don't think it will go to their heads. Last year it did a little bit (although O-line injuries were most of the problem), but I just can't see them falling into that trap two years in a row, especially because they have veteran leaders in every position group. I count Aaron Rodgers among those veteran leaders.
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musccy
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14 years ago
I agree that you should expect to see improvements in year two, but again, using that logic there should have been a steady improvement throughout the year, and throughout 2009, the team regressed rather than improved.

To me, this says that the problem is with personnel, not with familiarity in a scheme, and virtually nothing has changed over the last 8 months to improve this facet of the team.
Porforis
14 years ago
What the hell, some joker picked us as a 16-0? No way in hell. Sorry.
Finley88Beast
14 years ago

I agree that you should expect to see improvements in year two, but again, using that logic there should have been a steady improvement throughout the year, and throughout 2009, the team regressed rather than improved.

To me, this says that the problem is with personnel, not with familiarity in a scheme, and virtually nothing has changed over the last 8 months to improve this facet of the team.

"musccy" wrote:



Honestly I really don't think they regressed they shouldn't be when the packers D was 1st against the run and 2nd in the league on Defense.Actually towards the end of the year are sacks went up and had kept some consistency creating turnovers.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago

We've lost Jolly, Bigby and Harris for 6 weeks. Our nickel corner is Sam Shields who only has 1 year of CB experience. Brad Jones has been banged up and still isn't fully healed, as is Matthews. Pat Lee and Brandon Underwood have not shown to be reliable backups. The defense may be more comfortable with the 3-4 but I'm still squirming in my seat the minute an elite QB comes up to the plate.

I don't know. I just don't know if they've sufficiently improved.

"TheEngineer" wrote:



Cullen Jenkins is healthy, no? He's one of our more underrated players. When he's in, good things happen for the Green Bay Packers.

Also, our LBs have another year in the 3-4. A lot of football "experts" think that it takes 2 years to go from the 4-3 to 3-4 to make it work. This is our 2nd year. There's probably a historical basis for the "two years to make the 3-4 work."

Harris misses the first 6 weeks. We don't face an elite O until week 7. I wouldn't be surprised if we start off 6-0. Seriously, I wouldn't. I think those first 6 teams will be forced to play catch up with our explosive offense.

Our O is like explosive diarrhea. You can only contain it for so long.
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VinceLambeauStarr
14 years ago

We've lost Jolly, Bigby and Harris for 6 weeks. Our nickel corner is Sam Shields who only has 1 year of CB experience. Brad Jones has been banged up and still isn't fully healed, as is Matthews. Pat Lee and Brandon Underwood have not shown to be reliable backups. The defense may be more comfortable with the 3-4 but I'm still squirming in my seat the minute an elite QB comes up to the plate.

I don't know. I just don't know if they've sufficiently improved.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Cullen Jenkins is healthy, no? He's one of our more underrated players. When he's in, good things happen for the Green Bay Packers.

Also, our LBs have another year in the 3-4. A lot of football "experts" think that it takes 2 years to go from the 4-3 to 3-4 to make it work. This is our 2nd year. There's probably a historical basis for the "two years to make the 3-4 work."

Harris misses the first 6 weeks. We don't face an elite O until week 7. I wouldn't be surprised if we start off 6-0. Seriously, I wouldn't. I think those first 6 teams will be forced to play catch up with our explosive offense.

Our O is like explosive diarrhea. You can only contain it for so long.

"TheEngineer" wrote:



Honestly?

I think Jenkins is only behind Woodson in terms of importance to our defence.
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Finley88Beast
14 years ago

To me, this says that the problem is with personnel, not with familiarity in a scheme, and virtually nothing has changed over the last 8 months to improve this facet of the team.

"musccy" wrote:


Actually there was change first off Kampman is with the jags now,Mathews is on the Left side,Burnett is are starting SS,Shields is are nickel back for the time being,and hell even having Justin Harrell back makes it look different from last years D.Plus Dom prob. has put more plays into the playbook to make the D more dynamic.
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