PackerTraxx
14 years ago

Wait.. so what he does it training camp and practice now counts?

Just last week.. it didn't matter.. as long as he played well in the game.

He got handled on Saturday.. you know the game day.

But now.. he won a couple of drill sessions.. and he has been legitimized because of practice.

Hmmmmm.. ;)

Seriously though.. since I am a Harrell hater, I hope the kid finally got his wake up call and becomes a player.

BTW.. us common people, whom go through the same thing don't get excuses after their child is born not to perform at work. With that.. I don't give him any excuses for his performance vs the Seachickens. But that just makes me a hater. ;)

"pack93z" wrote:




Love how your avartar matches this post!!! Amazing!!! :thumbleft:
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beast
14 years ago

That was sarcasm.. lol.

"pack93z" wrote:


I knew the hater stuff but I played it like it wasn't.

but from what I hear this this is the first time the kid has stood out at camp.

"pack93z" wrote:


From what I've heard from the GB local newspapers Harrell should of been cut a long long long time ago.

What I've heard else where is he (and Neal) have been looking better than Pickett and Raji at times. Not on the one on one drills but in the 11 on 11s.



I don't think the Green Bay media has been unfair to Harrell overall. I've read some positive comments about him. His work ethic has been called into question at times, but I can't recall any Green Bay journalist actually calling him lazy.

Let's face it, there just haven't been a lot of positives to report about Harrell. The writers have actually given him much more of a fair shake than most of the fans.

"Greg C." wrote:



Well I didn't read any positive comments from the beat writers at the local News Papers.

Bob McGinn wrote Harrell, "just won't drive himself"... not sure but that sounds like he's saying Harrell is lazy to me.

Mike Vandermause wrote the "Packers must give up on Justin Harrell"


Harrell has been beating some double teams and Wynn hasn't been but they write a positive piece on Wynn and a negative pieces on Harrell. Until MM comes out and public says Wynn needs to step it up and Trgovac comes out and says Harrell effort has been great (which they then write another negative piece on Harrell.)

Is everything Harrell done positive HECK NO!... Is everything Harrell done negative? HECK NO! But mostly all I'm seeing from the GB local news paper beat writers is all negative about Harrell until today.

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UserPostedImage
14 years ago

BTW.. us common people, whom go through the same thing don't get excuses after their child is born not to perform at work.

"pack93z" wrote:



Huh? Is this part of the dry unhumorous sarcasm part of your post? Lots of people take more than a couple days off their common people jobs when they have a kid.
Pack93z
14 years ago

BTW.. us common people, whom go through the same thing don't get excuses after their child is born not to perform at work.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



Huh? Is this part of the dry unhumorous sarcasm part of your post? Lots of people take more than a couple days off their common people jobs when they have a kid.

"pack93z" wrote:



Really.. they must use Vacation then. ;)

Wisconsin has no law guaranteeing him paternity leave unless he qualifies for FMLA.

For him to qualify for FMLA ALL of the following must be true:

1.) He has worked for this employer for 12 months or more
2.) In the 12 months immediately preceding the leave, he must have worked no less than 1,250 hours
3.) His employer must have no less than 50 employees within 75 miles of the employees location.

Sucks but that is the law. The Baby was born Wednesday.. the Game was Saturday and he got a couple of practices off.. poor timing.. absolutely.. but he is a players hanging onto his career by a thread.. it is go time.

Now.. since you seem to be all worked up again on this Harrell deal and we all can see that he didn't fair well with our own eyes.. it is clear that you just have a problem with fair criticism of any Packer.

Great.

BTW.. my sarcasm wasn't intended to be funny.. just pointing out some in the other thread said practice and camp matter not.. but now to support their point it matters. And that ain't funny. 😉
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Brettizzle
14 years ago
No matter what he does people are going to discredit him his whole career. I hope he does well but I have very low expectations.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

Well I didn't read any positive comments from the beat writers at the local News Papers.

Bob McGinn wrote Harrell, "just won't drive himself"... not sure but that sounds like he's saying Harrell is lazy to me.

Mike Vandermause wrote the "Packers must give up on Justin Harrell"


Harrell has been beating some double teams and Wynn hasn't been but they write a positive piece on Wynn and a negative pieces on Harrell. Until Mike McCarthy comes out and public says Wynn needs to step it up and Trgovac comes out and says Harrell effort has been great (which they then write another negative piece on Harrell.)

Is everything Harrell done positive HECK NO!... Is everything Harrell done negative? HECK NO! But mostly all I'm seeing from the GB local news paper beat writers is all negative about Harrell until today.

"beast" wrote:



I just read the Green Bay Press Gazette and sometimes the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. What I've been hearing from them for three years now is that Harrell has looked pretty good when he's had a chance to play and has even split some double teams, but he just hasn't been able to stay healthy.

The only negative stuff I've read has come within the past couple weeks, with McGinn's article about Harrell looking gassed and having to take a knee in between reps in practice, and then Vandermause's article last week. But I haven't noticed an overall pattern of negativity.

I thought Vandermause's article was dumb, but McGinn's article was based on observation and expressed some legitimate concerns about whether Harrell would be able to cut it, based on his lack of energy in practice compared to the guys he's competing against. Since then he's looked decent in the scrimmage and against the Browns but not so hot against Seattle.

Having a couple of good one-on-ones against backups in practice doesn't affect my opinion of him much. These next two preseason games will make or break Harrell. I think he may be over the hump now, as long as his back doesn't give out on him.
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Pack93z
14 years ago

No matter what he does people are going to discredit him his whole career. I hope he does well but I have very low expectations.

"Brettizzle" wrote:



To be honest.. if he is given everything he has got and doesn't make it.. I hold nothing but respect for him. Actually I have a ton of respect for him continuing to try and make it a career.. some would have retired already with the money in the pocket.

And I am tickled pink that he flashed in camp.. that is excellent.. continue it rolling.

Again.. the only expectations I had for Harrell this camp is to work his ass off and leave nothing on the table. This latest observation from camp is more in line than the last couple from multiple sources.
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14 years ago

BTW.. us common people, whom go through the same thing don't get excuses after their child is born not to perform at work.

"pack93z" wrote:



Huh? Is this part of the dry unhumorous sarcasm part of your post? Lots of people take more than a couple days off their common people jobs when they have a kid.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



Really.. they must use Vacation then. ;)

Wisconsin has no law guaranteeing him paternity leave unless he qualifies for FMLA.

For him to qualify for FMLA ALL of the following must be true:

1.) He has worked for this employer for 12 months or more
2.) In the 12 months immediately preceding the leave, he must have worked no less than 1,250 hours
3.) His employer must have no less than 50 employees within 75 miles of the employees location.

Sucks but that is the law. The Baby was born Wednesday.. the Game was Saturday and he got a couple of practices off.. poor timing.. absolutely.. but he is a players hanging onto his career by a thread.. it is go time.

Now.. since you seem to be all worked up again on this Harrell deal and we all can see that he didn't fair well with our own eyes.. it is clear that you just have a problem with fair criticism of any Packer.

Great.

BTW.. my sarcasm wasn't intended to be funny.. just pointing out some in the other thread said practice and camp matter not.. but now to support their point it matters. And that ain't funny. ;)

"pack93z" wrote:



Just because the law doesn't require something does not mean lots of employers don't allow it.

Why oh why does everyone think that "no one gets to do neat thing X" unless the law says they are entitled to do neat thing X." For his entire life as a private employer (starting soon after "the" war, going through the Ozzie and Harriet 50s until 1977 when he died), my dad allowed his employees (all male) time off when their wife was imminent and the days immediately following birth. Or when someone in their family died. Or was dealing with major illness. And his wasn't the exceptional practice. It was the usual one.

Not because the law said they "had" to. But because they believed it was the right thing to do, and because they believed it the right thing to do.

And he did so even though his employees did things that were a hell of a lot more important than anything a football player does in training camp. Things like frozen water pipes or malfunctioning furnaces in the middle of winter. Things like getting a house project done so people could move in on time. Things like dealing with backed up sewers.

He did so -- and most small employers of his era and place (northern Wisconsin) did so, and they still got the job done even though it could play havoc with a bottom line that was much closer to the knife edge than outsiders ever realized. Because that was what good people did.

Not because some goddamned acronymed law said they had to.

Now my Mom, who worked for a local government (school board) as a elementary school teacher, couldn't take personal days until her union bargained for them. And even after she got them, she had to jump through extra hoops to get them, such as when my dad was dying.

But she worked for the fucking government. Not for my dad.

And not for a shitload of everyday small employers who "did the right thing" without being told "it's the law."

I'm not married. And, frankly, being "present at childbirth" is not something I particularly understand the attraction of, for all it's political correctness among the chattering classes. But if I were married, and my wife was headed in for a likely C-section? Damn right I'd skip work.

And if my wife was going through difficulty post-birth, or just wanted me to hold her hand because it was a painful thing, or if "the moment" said to me "this is time to be with my wife and new kid"? Then I'd do it.

And if my students, or my employer, took umbrage at my "lack of dedication" or my "lack of commitment"?

I'd tell them to fuck off.

More politely, perhaps. But firmly.

Because no goddamn job is going to tell me not to.

Everyone always made such a big deal about how magnificent it was that Brett Favre came back and played Oakland right after his dad died despite his grief, etc. I always considered that passing strange. I was brought up that the time after death was nearly sacred time, time for the family not for "doing the job."

My dad was as workaholic as they come. He put more hours into that plumbing business than, frankly, I have ever been able to put into any job or business of my own. He'd miss Packer games during the Lombardi years because of work he thought needed to be done on Sundays. But when my brother, himself a grown man who lived and worked in the Cities, got the big C and it was only a matter of time, my dad took as much time away from the job -- without pay -- as it took. And when my brother died, he took more time away, again without pay. And he did it even though he knew, that without him there, the business was going to lose a lot of money because there literally was no one else there who could run the place at anything other than a loss. (As we found out after he died.)

Sorry, to me, I would rather a man do like Justin Harrell than like Brett Favre.

I'd go even farther. If you have to neglect your responsibilities to one, job or family, I'd rather you neglect the job. I'd rather have you give more than you have to to your family and less than you should to your job.

Whetheryour employer is an asshole who thinks otherwise and is willing to fire you or dock your pittance of a paycheck. Or whether if you get paid millions of dollars by said employer and said employer is a saint.

Because your family should come first.

And because you, not your employer, and certainly not the people who write laws, should decide.

That's the way I was raised.

In Wisconsin.
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Pack93z
14 years ago
Wade.. I agree with you.. but I can attest.. I didn't get paid days off without vacation time for any of the three children.

The way the world should work and the way it works are two different things..

BTW.. the Packers gave him time off.. lol.
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RaiderPride
14 years ago
If the Packers let this kid go. And he resurfaces in the NFL (Or worse the NFC North.) then becomes a force living up to his top 16 pick..... Ohh Nelly....

There will be a lot of Packer Fans in Green Bay who will blame the Packers for giving up on him. It will be the same Packer fans who were calling for the team to move on, and get rid of him.

That is the nature of many fans. They are like hypocrites with 20/20 hindsight after the facts.

I am not pointing out anyone here on this fine site. I am talking fans in general. For every damn team in the NFL.

I like the kid a great deal. I would keep him. And, I will say that if he flames out. It was a good pick at the time, and I believe that.

If it was drugs, impaireds, wife beating, and a general nasty disposition that was holding this kid back I would be the first to say get the frick out of Green Bay.

But it is not.

So. Keep on keeping on kid, and never, ever, ever, give up.
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