BTW.. us common people, whom go through the same thing don't get excuses after their child is born not to perform at work.
"pack93z" wrote:
Huh? Is this part of the dry unhumorous sarcasm part of your post? Lots of people take more than a couple days off their common people jobs when they have a kid.
"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:
Really.. they must use Vacation then. ;)
Wisconsin has no law guaranteeing him paternity leave unless he qualifies for FMLA.
For him to qualify for FMLA ALL of the following must be true:
1.) He has worked for this employer for 12 months or more
2.) In the 12 months immediately preceding the leave, he must have worked no less than 1,250 hours
3.) His employer must have no less than 50 employees within 75 miles of the employees location.
Sucks but that is the law. The Baby was born Wednesday.. the Game was Saturday and he got a couple of practices off.. poor timing.. absolutely.. but he is a players hanging onto his career by a thread.. it is go time.
Now.. since you seem to be all worked up again on this Harrell deal and we all can see that he didn't fair well with our own eyes.. it is clear that you just have a problem with fair criticism of any Packer.
Great.
BTW.. my sarcasm wasn't intended to be funny.. just pointing out some in the other thread said practice and camp matter not.. but now to support their point it matters. And that ain't funny. ;)
"pack93z" wrote:
Just because the law doesn't require something does not mean lots of employers don't allow it.
Why oh why does everyone think that "no one gets to do neat thing X" unless the law says they are entitled to do neat thing X." For his entire life as a private employer (starting soon after "the" war, going through the Ozzie and Harriet 50s until 1977 when he died), my dad allowed his employees (all male) time off when their wife was imminent and the days immediately following birth. Or when someone in their family died. Or was dealing with major illness. And his wasn't the exceptional practice. It was the usual one.
Not because the law said they "had" to. But because they believed it was the right thing to do, and because they believed it the right thing to do.
And he did so even though his employees did things that were a hell of a lot more important than anything a football player does in training camp. Things like frozen water pipes or malfunctioning furnaces in the middle of winter. Things like getting a house project done so people could move in on time. Things like dealing with backed up sewers.
He did so -- and most small employers of his era and place (northern Wisconsin) did so, and they still got the job done even though it could play havoc with a bottom line that was much closer to the knife edge than outsiders ever realized. Because that was what good people did.
Not because some goddamned acronymed law said they had to.
Now my Mom, who worked for a local government (school board) as a elementary school teacher, couldn't take personal days until her union bargained for them. And even after she got them, she had to jump through extra hoops to get them, such as when my dad was dying.
But she worked for the fucking government. Not for my dad.
And not for a shitload of everyday small employers who "did the right thing" without being told "it's the law."
I'm not married. And, frankly, being "present at childbirth" is not something I particularly understand the attraction of, for all it's political correctness among the chattering classes. But if I were married, and my wife was headed in for a likely C-section? Damn right I'd skip work.
And if my wife was going through difficulty post-birth, or just wanted me to hold her hand because it was a painful thing, or if "the moment" said to me "this is time to be with my wife and new kid"? Then I'd do it.
And if my students, or my employer, took umbrage at my "lack of dedication" or my "lack of commitment"?
I'd tell them to fuck off.
More politely, perhaps. But firmly.
Because no goddamn job is going to tell me not to.
Everyone always made such a big deal about how magnificent it was that Brett Favre came back and played Oakland right after his dad died despite his grief, etc. I always considered that passing strange. I was brought up that the time after death was nearly sacred time, time for the family not for "doing the job."
My dad was as workaholic as they come. He put more hours into that plumbing business than, frankly, I have ever been able to put into any job or business of my own. He'd miss Packer games during the Lombardi years because of work he thought needed to be done on Sundays. But when my brother, himself a grown man who lived and worked in the Cities, got the big C and it was only a matter of time, my dad took as much time away from the job -- without pay -- as it took. And when my brother died, he took more time away, again without pay. And he did it even though he knew, that without him there, the business was going to lose a lot of money because there literally was no one else there who could run the place at anything other than a loss. (As we found out after he died.)
Sorry, to me, I would rather a man do like Justin Harrell than like Brett Favre.
I'd go even farther. If you have to neglect your responsibilities to one, job or family, I'd rather you neglect the job. I'd rather have you give more than you have to to your family and less than you should to your job.
Whetheryour employer is an asshole who thinks otherwise and is willing to fire you or dock your pittance of a paycheck. Or whether if you get paid millions of dollars by said employer and said employer is a saint.
Because your family should come first.
And because you, not your employer, and certainly not the people who write laws, should decide.
That's the way I was raised.
In Wisconsin.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)