14 years ago

The guy plays well at times but like in the Arizona game, at a crucial time, he gets beat on the inside and ends up with the holding call that eventually got them beat.

"warhawk" wrote:



If you are going to blame him for the AZ game, you should also give him credit for his play the first 60 minutes of the game, when the offense was literally unstoppable. That was one of the best offensive showings in Packers postseason history.
Bigbyfan
14 years ago

The guy plays well at times but like in the Arizona game, at a crucial time, he gets beat on the inside and ends up with the holding call that eventually got them beat.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



If you are going to blame him for the AZ game, you should also give him credit for his play the first 60 minutes of the game, when the offense was literally unstoppable. That was one of the best offensive showings in Packers postseason history.

"warhawk" wrote:



They weren't exactly what i would call "unstoppable" in the first half. The Packers had to come back from a pretty big deficit in the second half.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

When someone pushes him he gets better than them... and Mike McCarthy pushed him when he said he's going to have to battle for his spot with Spitz...

I think he'll be the best he's been because of that...

"beast" wrote:



I hope you're right, but considering how inconsistent he's been, we may have reached a point where we can't trust him anymore. He has established a pattern where he rises to the challenge of retaining his starting spot, but once he gets there he falls back. If Colledge wins the starting spot in training camp, I will have less confidence in him maintaining that level of play than I would with Spitz.
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14 years ago

The guy plays well at times but like in the Arizona game, at a crucial time, he gets beat on the inside and ends up with the holding call that eventually got them beat.

"Bigbyfan" wrote:



If you are going to blame him for the AZ game, you should also give him credit for his play the first 60 minutes of the game, when the offense was literally unstoppable. That was one of the best offensive showings in Packers postseason history.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



They weren't exactly what i would call "unstoppable" in the first half. The Packers had to come back from a pretty big deficit in the second half.

"warhawk" wrote:



They scored more points in that game than ANY Packer team has EVER scored in a postseason game. I don't blame any offensive player for that loss. That loss was all on the defense.
Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago

Baluga, Newhouse, Wells, Sitton, Lang


It appears Uncle Ted has finally given the Oline it's due attention, but then Baluga fell into his lap didn't he?

"DakotaT" wrote:



If you finally gotta give him credit for paying attention to the O line now, you weren't paying enough attention when he picked up Sitton, Wells and Lang.

You can't say he wasn't paying attention just because guys were not working out. Some he picked up didn't pan out like he wanted, (Barbre) but that happens to every GM. Can you say Mandarich?

You are implying that getting Bulaga was just luck. Probably say the same about Rodgers and maybe Finley... wait a minute, how can one guy be so consistently lucky? Maybe it isn't luck. He is doing a pretty good job drafting. I don't know about every thing else, but drafting is good.
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go.pack.go.
14 years ago

Baluga, Newhouse, Wells, Sitton, Lang


It appears Uncle Ted has finally given the Oline it's due attention, but then Baluga fell into his lap didn't he?

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:



If you finally gotta give him credit for paying attention to the O line now, you weren't paying enough attention when he picked up Sitton, Wells and Lang.

You can't say he wasn't paying attention just because guys were not working out. Some he picked up didn't pan out like he wanted, (Barbre) but that happens to every GM. Can you say Mandarich?

You are implying that getting Bulaga was just luck. Probably say the same about Rodgers and maybe Finley... wait a minute, how can one guy be so consistently lucky? Maybe it isn't luck. He is doing a pretty good job drafting. I don't know about every thing else, but drafting is good.

"DakotaT" wrote:



I haven't seen you around, but so far I like you. +1.
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago

Baluga, Newhouse, Wells, Sitton, Lang


It appears Uncle Ted has finally given the Oline it's due attention, but then Baluga fell into his lap didn't he?

"go.pack.go." wrote:



If you finally gotta give him credit for paying attention to the O line now, you weren't paying enough attention when he picked up Sitton, Wells and Lang.

You can't say he wasn't paying attention just because guys were not working out. Some he picked up didn't pan out like he wanted, (Barbre) but that happens to every GM. Can you say Mandarich?

You are implying that getting Bulaga was just luck. Probably say the same about Rodgers and maybe Finley... wait a minute, how can one guy be so consistently lucky? Maybe it isn't luck. He is doing a pretty good job drafting. I don't know about every thing else, but drafting is good.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:



I haven't seen you around, but so far I like you. +1.

"DakotaT" wrote:



Thanks, it's nice to be appreciated.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
all_about_da_packers
14 years ago

If you finally gotta give him credit for paying attention to the O line now, you weren't paying enough attention when he picked up Sitton, Wells and Lang.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:




In fairness, I think Dakota was implying that Ted is finally targeting o-linemen early in the draft. But his last statement states that perhaps it wasn't so much a change in strategy as much as Bulaga being too good to pass up (matching both need and "Best Player Available").


If we are honest, Ted for the most part has done a disservice to his coaches in the o-line talent he has given them. Recall Will Whiticker, Guard, selected seventh round and forced to start in his first year because Ted failed to bring in adequate bodies to replace Mike Whale.

Then there is the fact that he drafted Sitton, Barbre, and Lang in the fourth rounds, Giacomini and Newhouse in the fifth rounds, and Tony Moll in the sixth. Yes Sitton is closing in on being a Pro-bowler, but look at the rest of the list. Okay, Lang has some promise, but Barbre and Giacomini have done nothing of note; they were projects that have thus far failed.

Moll and Giacomini were converted TEs. Barbre was a Div II physically gifted beast with not much else going for him. Lang was a converted D-linemen in college.

The point is that yes he drafted some players with potential in Sitton and Lang, but he's also drafted some duds; that's a normal risk in the NFL Draft but one that is magnified as you go on to the later rounds.

Put differently: you have a better talent pool in the earlier rounds to choose from. As you move later on, you start taking players that may have potential, but the bust factor is also bigger. He may have hit on a couple of mid-late round picks, but still the players with "a chance to stick" he has drafted in the later rounds have certainly NOT left his coaches with a ton of sound talent / skill / fundamentals to work with.
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Stevetarded
14 years ago

If you finally gotta give him credit for paying attention to the O line now, you weren't paying enough attention when he picked up Sitton, Wells and Lang.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:




In fairness, I think Dakota was implying that Ted is finally targeting o-linemen early in the draft. But his last statement states that perhaps it wasn't so much a change in strategy as much as Bulaga being too good to pass up (matching both need and "Best Player Available").


If we are honest, Ted for the most part has done a disservice to his coaches in the o-line talent he has given them. Recall Will Whiticker, Guard, selected seventh round and forced to start in his first year because Ted failed to bring in adequate bodies to replace Mike Whale.

Then there is the fact that he drafted Sitton, Barbre, and Lang in the fourth rounds, Giacomini and Newhouse in the fifth rounds, and Tony Moll in the sixth. Yes Sitton is closing in on being a Pro-bowler, but look at the rest of the list. Okay, Lang has some promise, but Barbre and Giacomini have done nothing of note; they were projects that have thus far failed.

Moll and Giacomini were converted TEs. Barbre was a Div II physically gifted beast with not much else going for him. Lang was a converted D-linemen in college.

The point is that yes he drafted some players with potential in Sitton and Lang, but he's also drafted some duds; that's a normal risk in the NFL Draft but one that is magnified as you go on to the later rounds.

Put differently: you have a better talent pool in the earlier rounds to choose from. As you move later on, you start taking players that may have potential, but the bust factor is also bigger. He may have hit on a couple of mid-late round picks, but still the players with "a chance to stick" he has drafted in the later rounds have certainly NOT left his coaches with a ton of sound talent / skill / fundamentals to work with.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:



Well 2005 was certainly rough and I don't know the exact reasons for not targeting an O-lineman early that year but the very next season when 2 guards were obviously needed he drafted 2 in the first 3 rounds and another in round 5.

I don't see any problem with taking guys later to develop when you already have your guys that you think will be your starters on the roster. Sure most of those guys didn't work out so far but until Tauscher went down none of them really got a chance.
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packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I see what you did there Mucky
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.
beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?
beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
beast (23-Dec) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
beast (23-Dec) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs
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