Pack may not keep all 13 free agents· Page 4

dhazer
Veteran Member

14 years ago

C'mon now on the worrying about Tauch because he will be signed. Rodgers is wanting it so you know it will be done and we know how Ted Thompson handles qbs that say they want certain free agents signed lol. But seriously i can see AK gone along with Tauch and Bigby and i won't have a problem with it. It seemed to me we were getting better OLB play after AK was injured, be nice to AK and let him go find a team that plays the 4-3 and make the big bucks. I like how everyone is bashing Collins about wanting a new contract after back to back Pro Bowls but yet were happier than pigs in shit when we signed Rodgers to a huge new contract after playing 7 games. I will never figure out some of you.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

DakotaT
Select Member

14 years ago

#32

"dhazer" wrote:

Why is saying a guy isn't an elite player bashing? Elite player status comes from making the All Pro team, not the popularity contest joke of a vacation called the Pro Bowl. I'm not one of the ass clowns that overvalues a player because he wears a helmet with G on it. We have 3 All Pro caliber players on our team: Rodgers, Jennings, and Woodson - everyone else has improvements to make, so they should not command top dollar contracts.

ILikeThePackers39
Registered

14 years ago

#33

I do hope that everyone who doesn't want to sign Collins is okay with the defense regressing. He's a great safety (I don't know many that make every play, every time), and easily the only truly good safety on the team. Pittsburgh can tell you how well the 3-4 does without quality safety play. Compared to Rodgers and Grant, he's actually earned a contract, yet nobody wants him to get it.

The lack of love for this guy mystifies me.

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DakotaT
Select Member

14 years ago

#34

I've never said don't sign him. He's a good player, but I'm sorry, teams were going downtown too often this year. That doesn't happen with great safety play. EX. Go back and watch Johnny Knox's touchdown in the first Bear game for an example. Collins should have made that play in his sleep. It was embarrassing.

wpr
Preferred Member

14 years ago

#35

I do hope that everyone who doesn't want to sign Collins is okay with the defense regressing. He's a great safety (I don't know many that make every play, every time), and easily the only truly good safety on the team. Pittsburgh can tell you how well the 3-4 does without quality safety play. Compared to Rodgers and Grant, he's actually earned a contract, yet nobody wants him to get it.

The lack of love for this guy mystifies me.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

That is not true. There are a lot of fans on this site that want him to get the contract. I myself never said that I wanted or didn't want him to get the deal. I did say I do not think Ted gives him the deal that he thinks he deserves.

Rockmolder
Honored Member

14 years ago

#36

"DakotaT" wrote:

"dhazer" wrote:

The irony in this is that Nick Collins has been named 2nd team All-Pro twice now, while Jennings and Rodgers have been zero times.

dfosterf
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#37

99.99% of all the commentary is directed at why he might not have got his big contract YET, not "don't want to sign him" I haven't seen ONE post that said that.

The resources are far more finite than anyone on here wants to acknowledge. I have tried to explain it... at least some of the potential pitfalls and obstacles 50 bazillion ways. I'm glad I don't teach school, there would be dead kids in the classroom by the 6th period of the first day of class.

:eyeslam:

j/k I think

ILikeThePackers39
Registered

14 years ago

#38

"DakotaT" wrote:

Well, even the best get burned. And I don't personally know (maybe you do) that there weren't other reasons for those lapses (other guys dropping their responsibilities, newness of the scheme). We would appear to disagree on his abilities, but that's no big thing - my larger points are that the dude has earned a contract (unless they're willing to let him go) and we have NOTHING on the roster at safety besides him. Other than run support, Bigby is a massive liability back there, and Giordano et al are utter crap. If they can't afford to re-up Collins, I don't see how they're going to upgrade the play at safety any time soon, and you need some coverage if you want to get to the QB.

Last offseason when this was debated I heard a lot of (not specifically from you, that I can recall - I just remember the general consensus) "let's see him have another good year before we give him a contract". Well, this is 2 pro bowl seasons, now. He's kept his level of play up through a scheme change, even. I think he's earned his money.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

14 years ago

#39

Settle down Susie, to be perfectly honest, I don't recall your stand on free agents because I don't dedicate my life to memorizing everyone's point of view in this forum. I try to avoid yours because one day you're chewing Favre an ass and the next you stick up for him (I don't know how to read you). I read your earlier post as opposition to my point of view. Sorry if you got upset. If we give Collins everything his agent asks for, I am going to be upset because I find major flaws in his game.

"DakotaT" wrote:

You're the one in need of settling down my friend. I've been consistent with my take on Brett, it's not my fault you can't comprehend objectivity and being able to point out ones flaws and point out ones positives.

I'm not upset, well, actually I am now after learning you don't dedicate your life to understanding/memorizing my point of view on things. I am going to have trouble sleeping tonight. I'm thinking it'll be a NyQuill night.

More so on a subject of importance, if we give Collins everything he's asking for, I think that's a failure in negotiation tactics, unless it's fair for the Packers as well as him. My take on Collins is, he's been good about things, I haven't heard him complain once about his contract. When asked would he like a long term deal, he's said yes. He hasn't (to my knowledge) come out and said 'SHOW ME THE MONEY' type of comments.

I think he's between 6-10 for best safeties in the NFL right now and I wouldn't sweat it if we paid him accordingly.

DakotaT
Select Member

14 years ago

#40

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

"DakotaT" wrote:

Which lends more credence to the fact that his agent has us by the short and curlies and we are going to have to overpay. This is what upsets me, not that I want Collins gone, or I'm trashing him; but it's that I know he has us over a barrel. Totally agree on the other safeties.

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