Lang looks to have some nice potential. But I fear it will never be developed with this coaching staff. If I remember correctly, Colledge, Sitton, Spitz and Barbre were al 2nd-4th rd picks. Most of the picks this high should be able to be developed into solid players. I would not qualify any of these players as adequate, if winning division champships or more is your criteria. So did we draft that bad or are we not developing players? I bellieve it's the latter.

"PackerTraxx" wrote:

Bear in mind: I'm not saying Lang can't handle LT - and I do think he should get a fair shake at doing just that. But since we're playing at some fantasy land scenarios, here, I'll take a shot.

For the remainder of 09 - LT: Lang - let him learn the ropes, and as long as he doesn't fall apart, he's there. Cliffy's in the wings if they need him. LG: College gets a chance to prove he's either The Guy here, or we finally cut bait on that endeavor. C: I really want Spitz to get healthy, stay healthy, and rack up some serious starts, here - again, it's a matter of seeing if he can be The Guy in the middle, as physically I like him more than Wells. RG: Sitton's probably the only real lock on this line, IMO. RT: Personally, I think Barbre is a bust at this spot. He may have improved incrementally over his disasterous start, but he just made Edwards look like a player - I'd like to see Tausch back in there.

So for the rest of this season it's Lang, College, Spitz, Sitton, Tauscher.

Next year, I want - no, need - to see a commitment to the offensive line that's comparable to the commitment they showed to the defense this year.

1. Campen - fired. Possibly Philben as well, if he's had anything to do with the current scheme. A new OL coach is brought in - a proven guy with a scheme that will A) PROTECT RODGERS (this has to be priority #1) and 😎 provide the option to run the ball consistently - I want 3 yards at a minimum if a run is called on 1st down. Now, I'm not going to fret overly about what kind of scheme - if the coach has proven he can implement it and make it work, that's fine. The Broncos proved that the ZBS can work very well - just make sure the coach knows the scheme. Honestly, this change is the biggest one, IMO.

2. Even if Lang looks great the rest of this year, they had better take a long, hard look at LT. Draft a blue-chip LT? If one's out there, see what it would take to get it done. FA - look into it, Ted. Seriously. Turn over every rock and expend whatever effort is necessary to determine if a legitimate left bookend can be brought in. If it's possible, DO IT. Protect the investment you have in Aaron Rodgers - JOB NUMBER ONE.

3. From LG to RG: If College is getting the job done, re-sign his ass and let him own LG. If not, see step 2 above and apply it here. Same goes for C - if Spitz can stay healthy and do his job, give it to him. I expect Sitton is our RG, but if he needs to be replaced, fine.

4. My sense is that Lang can and should own RT for years to come - if he doesn't manage to lock LT down the remainder of the season, put him here and enjoy years of a secure right side and a great place to send your running backs.

IMO, if you get a good coach and a solid scheme (none of which has any effect on salary cap), you're 60% there. Beyond that, this line is as little as one good LT from being a dependable foundation for years. I flatly refuse to believe that this team can't get that one guy, somehow.

It's totally do-able, I think.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

I have been fairly impressed with Lang in his limited time, but he is not a LT. Keep him there for the rest of the season, with Tauscher taking over on the Right, and Spitz back at Center. Leave that for the 2nd half. Then this offseason make the move.

LT and LG need to be replaced. I am not really down on Colledge, but we can upgrade him. So we have a new Left side next year, with Spitz,Sitton,Lang on the right. Put them three together, and we can have some pass protection and I really see them opening up some nice holes on the right.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:

Wade - The problem I have is we have Aaron starting to become an elite QB NOW, not in 2011. We have Driver in his prime NOW, and may be our #3 WR in 2011.

OL should have been a bigger priority in the offseason. I had no idea it would be this bad. The higher ups should have known though.

EDIT - not very well written. I'm saying I agree with you. Should have been fixed by now.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

Bear in mind: I'm not saying Lang can't handle LT - and I do think he should get a fair shake at doing just that. But since we're playing at some fantasy land scenarios, here, I'll take a shot.

For the remainder of 09 - LT: Lang - let him learn the ropes, and as long as he doesn't fall apart, he's there. Cliffy's in the wings if they need him. LG: College gets a chance to prove he's either The Guy here, or we finally cut bait on that endeavor. C: I really want Spitz to get healthy, stay healthy, and rack up some serious starts, here - again, it's a matter of seeing if he can be The Guy in the middle, as physically I like him more than Wells. RG: Sitton's probably the only real lock on this line, IMO. RT: Personally, I think Barbre is a bust at this spot. He may have improved incrementally over his disasterous start, but he just made Edwards look like a player - I'd like to see Tausch back in there.

So for the rest of this season it's Lang, College, Spitz, Sitton, Tauscher.

Next year, I want - no, need - to see a commitment to the offensive line that's comparable to the commitment they showed to the defense this year.

1. Campen - fired. Possibly Philben as well, if he's had anything to do with the current scheme. A new OL coach is brought in - a proven guy with a scheme that will A) PROTECT RODGERS (this has to be priority #1) and 😎 provide the option to run the ball consistently - I want 3 yards at a minimum if a run is called on 1st down. Now, I'm not going to fret overly about what kind of scheme - if the coach has proven he can implement it and make it work, that's fine. The Broncos proved that the ZBS can work very well - just make sure the coach knows the scheme. Honestly, this change is the biggest one, IMO.

2. Even if Lang looks great the rest of this year, they had better take a long, hard look at LT. Draft a blue-chip LT? If one's out there, see what it would take to get it done. FA - look into it, Ted. Seriously. Turn over every rock and expend whatever effort is necessary to determine if a legitimate left bookend can be brought in. If it's possible, DO IT. Protect the investment you have in Aaron Rodgers - JOB NUMBER ONE.

3. From LG to RG: If College is getting the job done, re-sign his ass and let him own LG. If not, see step 2 above and apply it here. Same goes for C - if Spitz can stay healthy and do his job, give it to him. I expect Sitton is our RG, but if he needs to be replaced, fine.

4. My sense is that Lang can and should own RT for years to come - if he doesn't manage to lock LT down the remainder of the season, put him here and enjoy years of a secure right side and a great place to send your running backs.

IMO, if you get a good coach and a solid scheme (none of which has any effect on salary cap), you're 60% there. Beyond that, this line is as little as one good LT from being a dependable foundation for years. I flatly refuse to believe that this team can't get that one guy, somehow.

It's totally do-able, I think.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

Yes, but when Raji fell to us in the draft, Uncle Ted rolled the dice, trying to squeeze one more year out of Clifton's knees. I think he would have traded back a few spots and taken Oher had Raji not fallen. Then when the opportunity to get Matthews arose, he took it; and now we have some nice pieces for the defense. To say he didn't address OT in the draft isn't fair because he took two of them on day two. The question to ask is do you think he would have taken Eugene Monroe if the Jags had taken Raji. Oakland did everyone a favor but Crabtree.

"DakotaT" wrote:

"DakotaT" wrote:

New England traded its first-round selection (23rd overall, used to select Michael Oher) to Baltimore for first- and fifth-round selections (26th overall, traded to Green Bay, who selected Clay Matthews; and 162nd overall, traded to Green Bay, who selected Jamon Meredith)

I don't blame Ted Thompson for taking Raji either.

My problem is that he's been here, what, 5 years?

And the OL is, clearly, and has been since his arrival, substantially and consistently worse than it was before his arrival.

It's not one decision that bothers me. It's not this one player who hasn't developed or that one who was not acquired or the other one who was let go. It's the fact that we are five years in (four if you're counting McCarthy years and not Thompson years) and WE STILL HAVE A FUCKING LINE THAT IS BARELY SERVICABLE ON ITS GOOD DAYS. And its that, IMO, we are STILL, assuming that Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy, and company do everything right this offseason in the draft, looking to AT LEAST 2011 before we have a line that is more than serviceable.

AND THAT PISSES ME OFF.

"Wade" wrote: