PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago
I have been fairly impressed with Lang in his limited time, but he is not a LT. Keep him there for the rest of the season, with Tauscher taking over on the Right, and Spitz back at Center. Leave that for the 2nd half. Then this offseason make the move.

LT and LG need to be replaced. I am not really down on Colledge, but we can upgrade him. So we have a new Left side next year, with Spitz,Sitton,Lang on the right. Put them three together, and we can have some pass protection and I really see them opening up some nice holes on the right.
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Pack93z
15 years ago
I have yet to be convinced that Lang can't grow into that left tackle spot.. sure he doesn't have the prototypical length that some do.. but other than that... I would love to hear why people are knocking the kid off that spot already?
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago
I am less knocking him from LT as thinking he could excel at RT. Tauscher would never make a great LT, and I am sure he would have been able to play it OK, but he has been a great RT. That is kind of what I am thinking for Lang.
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Pack93z
15 years ago
I have heard it a number of times, not just here.. and I am curious to the reasons why people think he would be a better fit on the right side verses the left.

Looking at his footwork and technique on the college tape I could find, I seen a very solid foundation to work with.. and he has been dropped in and has done a decent job this week against maybe the best pass rusher pound for pound in the league at the moment.

We have to have complete faith in a left tackle, the blindside of Rodgers, an albeit he has a ways to go, I think he has shown well to date.

That is one of my biggest pet peeves in football.. "true" players come in all shapes, forms and sizes.. but if they can line up an play, screw it.. you play them, draft them, develop them, sign them and keep them.

Add to it, finding a cornerstone left tackle is a hard task, if one drops in our lap down the road.. excellent.. but I wouldn't start reaching if Lang shows he can foot the bill.
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PackerTraxx
15 years ago
Lang looks to have some nice potential. But I fear it will never be developed with this coaching staff. If I remember correctly, Colledge, Sitton, Spitz and Barbre were al 2nd-4th rd picks. Most of the picks this high should be able to be developed into solid players. I would not qualify any of these players as adequate, if winning division champships or more is your criteria. So did we draft that bad or are we not developing players? I bellieve it's the latter.
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Pack93z
15 years ago

Lang looks to have some nice potential. But I fear it will never be developed with this coaching staff. If I remember correctly, Colledge, Sitton, Spitz and Barbre were al 2nd-4th rd picks. Most of the picks this high should be able to be developed into solid players. I would not qualify any of these players as adequate, if winning division champships or more is your criteria. So did we draft that bad or are we not developing players? I bellieve it's the latter.

"PackerTraxx" wrote:



That there is a huge different discussion.. IMO, this better be Campen's last stand.
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ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago
Bear in mind: I'm not saying Lang can't handle LT - and I do think he should get a fair shake at doing just that. But since we're playing at some fantasy land scenarios, here, I'll take a shot.

For the remainder of 09 - LT: Lang - let him learn the ropes, and as long as he doesn't fall apart, he's there. Cliffy's in the wings if they need him. LG: College gets a chance to prove he's either The Guy here, or we finally cut bait on that endeavor. C: I really want Spitz to get healthy, stay healthy, and rack up some serious starts, here - again, it's a matter of seeing if he can be The Guy in the middle, as physically I like him more than Wells. RG: Sitton's probably the only real lock on this line, IMO. RT: Personally, I think Barbre is a bust at this spot. He may have improved incrementally over his disasterous start, but he just made Edwards look like a player - I'd like to see Tausch back in there.

So for the rest of this season it's Lang, College, Spitz, Sitton, Tauscher.

Next year, I want - no, need - to see a commitment to the offensive line that's comparable to the commitment they showed to the defense this year.

1. Campen - fired. Possibly Philben as well, if he's had anything to do with the current scheme. A new OL coach is brought in - a proven guy with a scheme that will A) PROTECT RODGERS (this has to be priority #1) and 😎 provide the option to run the ball consistently - I want 3 yards at a minimum if a run is called on 1st down. Now, I'm not going to fret overly about what kind of scheme - if the coach has proven he can implement it and make it work, that's fine. The Broncos proved that the ZBS can work very well - just make sure the coach knows the scheme. Honestly, this change is the biggest one, IMO.

2. Even if Lang looks great the rest of this year, they had better take a long, hard look at LT. Draft a blue-chip LT? If one's out there, see what it would take to get it done. FA - look into it, Ted. Seriously. Turn over every rock and expend whatever effort is necessary to determine if a legitimate left bookend can be brought in. If it's possible, DO IT. Protect the investment you have in Aaron Rodgers - JOB NUMBER ONE.

3. From LG to RG: If College is getting the job done, re-sign his ass and let him own LG. If not, see step 2 above and apply it here. Same goes for C - if Spitz can stay healthy and do his job, give it to him. I expect Sitton is our RG, but if he needs to be replaced, fine.

4. My sense is that Lang can and should own RT for years to come - if he doesn't manage to lock LT down the remainder of the season, put him here and enjoy years of a secure right side and a great place to send your running backs.

IMO, if you get a good coach and a solid scheme (none of which has any effect on salary cap), you're 60% there. Beyond that, this line is as little as one good LT from being a dependable foundation for years. I flatly refuse to believe that this team can't get that one guy, somehow.

It's totally do-able, I think.
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago

Bear in mind: I'm not saying Lang can't handle LT - and I do think he should get a fair shake at doing just that. But since we're playing at some fantasy land scenarios, here, I'll take a shot.

For the remainder of 09 - LT: Lang - let him learn the ropes, and as long as he doesn't fall apart, he's there. Cliffy's in the wings if they need him. LG: College gets a chance to prove he's either The Guy here, or we finally cut bait on that endeavor. C: I really want Spitz to get healthy, stay healthy, and rack up some serious starts, here - again, it's a matter of seeing if he can be The Guy in the middle, as physically I like him more than Wells. RG: Sitton's probably the only real lock on this line, IMO. RT: Personally, I think Barbre is a bust at this spot. He may have improved incrementally over his disasterous start, but he just made Edwards look like a player - I'd like to see Tausch back in there.

So for the rest of this season it's Lang, College, Spitz, Sitton, Tauscher.

Next year, I want - no, need - to see a commitment to the offensive line that's comparable to the commitment they showed to the defense this year.

1. Campen - fired. Possibly Philben as well, if he's had anything to do with the current scheme. A new OL coach is brought in - a proven guy with a scheme that will A) PROTECT RODGERS (this has to be priority #1) and 😎 provide the option to run the ball consistently - I want 3 yards at a minimum if a run is called on 1st down. Now, I'm not going to fret overly about what kind of scheme - if the coach has proven he can implement it and make it work, that's fine. The Broncos proved that the ZBS can work very well - just make sure the coach knows the scheme. Honestly, this change is the biggest one, IMO.

2. Even if Lang looks great the rest of this year, they had better take a long, hard look at LT. Draft a blue-chip LT? If one's out there, see what it would take to get it done. FA - look into it, Ted. Seriously. Turn over every rock and expend whatever effort is necessary to determine if a legitimate left bookend can be brought in. If it's possible, DO IT. Protect the investment you have in Aaron Rodgers - JOB NUMBER ONE.

3. From LG to RG: If College is getting the job done, re-sign his ass and let him own LG. If not, see step 2 above and apply it here. Same goes for C - if Spitz can stay healthy and do his job, give it to him. I expect Sitton is our RG, but if he needs to be replaced, fine.

4. My sense is that Lang can and should own RT for years to come - if he doesn't manage to lock LT down the remainder of the season, put him here and enjoy years of a secure right side and a great place to send your running backs.

IMO, if you get a good coach and a solid scheme (none of which has any effect on salary cap), you're 60% there. Beyond that, this line is as little as one good LT from being a dependable foundation for years. I flatly refuse to believe that this team can't get that one guy, somehow.

It's totally do-able, I think.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



I agree completely, with the exception of changing the line coach. Now I do not mean keep what we have. I repeat, not keeping what we have. What I mean is that Campen, Philbin did not decide to go with the ZBS. That was all on McCarthy.

+1 for everything else.
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gbguy20
15 years ago
first and foremost we need to replace the offensive line COACH.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago

I have been fairly impressed with Lang in his limited time, but he is not a LT. Keep him there for the rest of the season, with Tauscher taking over on the Right, and Spitz back at Center. Leave that for the 2nd half. Then this offseason make the move.

LT and LG need to be replaced. I am not really down on Colledge, but we can upgrade him. So we have a new Left side next year, with Spitz,Sitton,Lang on the right. Put them three together, and we can have some pass protection and I really see them opening up some nice holes on the right.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



Agreed.

One major change though - fire the Coach in the offseason and find one who knows what he's doing.
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