Vikings Moving (For real?)· Page 2

Formo
Veteran Member

15 years ago

Two wrongs don't make a right, Formo. I don't think the government should be subsidizing any stadiums. Just because Jeffrey got buy with stealing a cookie doesn't mean Johnny should.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

That's the thing.. I don't think it's wrong. I'm not saying there isn't better plans. But still.

If I pay extra taxes for some 'save the swamps' here in MN and for that nice, shiny Library in downtown MPLS, both of which I could care less about, and neither I plan on ever visiting.. Why can't there be some sort of deal done for a stadium?

EDIT: My issue isn't that there's not a plan. It's that the state refuses (and has for years) to sit down with some serious nosegrinding with the Vikings to hash something out.

Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

15 years ago

#12

I don't think we should be forced to pay taxes to save swamps either. 😉

Formo
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#13

I don't think we should be forced to pay taxes to save swamps either. ;)

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Yet somehow, us Minnesotans will be paying over $200 million in the first year of said tax..

Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!

Wade
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#14

Formo,
1. I take it as a given the the government [strike]spends[/strike] wastes 100s of millions of dollars. "Tossing money into the swamp" strikes me as a perfect metaphor, and that the MN govmt actually is making the metaphor into literal truth...well, that's obscene in only the way the government can be obscene.

2. Trust me, if there was a real gain to be had, the investment bankers would be all over the place. Those people just don't leave hundreds of millions of dollars worth of opportunities go.

3. I have a hard time imagining a library being in the same 'ballpark'. But even if there were such a library project out there, I would oppose it for the same reason. Because I'd defy anyone to show me that a library is the best investment of half a billion.

4. Frankly, MN could spend a good chunk of that many on their highways.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

packersfan99
Registered

15 years ago

#15

All of you are right, this money could be used for other investment. But I guess the Vikings owner is right too, this is a team that is ranked last in value out of all NFL teams by Forbes Magazine. So if the numbers are not there, he needs to see other options.

BAD EMAIL because the address couldn ot be found, or is unable to receive mail.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

15 years ago

#16

The margin on an NFL franchise is amazingly low. (Fiscally naive people see the raw numbers -- "Jerry Jones made $10 million last year!" -- but don't stop to think about what a ridiculous amount of money he had to spend to make that $10 million.) Anyone gullible enough to make an investment like that wouldn't stay wealthy long. But I agree with Wade. If it's not a worthwhile investment for a savvy businessman, why should we think it's any more fiscally responsible for the government? The fact is it's not. I applaud the state of Minnesota for having the moral courage not to pay for a new stadium, even if their actions do drip with hypocrisy after the Twins and Gophers stadiums.

"Formo" wrote:

The bolded is where we highly disagree. I can see that if the Twins didn't get a stadium. But to not put down some sort of time to make a plan with the Vikings (the biggest pro sport draw, BTW) for a stadium deal?

Bullshit. I don't care how bad the effin' economy is. Bull-effing-shit.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

I see what you are saying Formo.
I have a question though. The Twins play 81 games a season at home. The Vikings what, 10? So i would guess that the state gets alot more money off the Twins then the Vikings. And now that the Gophers have their own stadium, that leaves less income for a new Vikings stadium, right?
I'm not being a wise guy, i'm asking if that might have something to do with it.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

15 years ago

#17

Vikings will be leaving MN to depress another state.

Formo
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#18

"Wade" wrote:

1. I try not to take it as a given that the government wastes that much money. It angers me. lol

2. How is there NOT a real gain to be had? And with the investment bankers being under fire as much as they have been, there's no way they'd take this opportunity.

3. Well, the library wasn't as much as a new stadium.. but I still paid for it, even though I had no choice and I never will use the thing. That's the heavy argument opposing forces of the stadium use. I can play that game.

4. Oh, they do. They just like to take their sweet time with it. lol

Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!

Formo
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#19

"Cheesey" wrote:

"Formo" wrote:

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Well, until the new stadium opens up next season, Twins tickets are really cheap. For the cheap seats, they are as low as $4-$7 a seat. Much different price range, not to mention the taxes the players pay in.. Twins payroll < Vikings payroll.

I'm sure there's a million good reasons why the state doesn't look at the Vikings issue. As a fan, I don't take no for an answer, though. 🙂

Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

Zero2Cool (5h) : Van Ness played most of season with broken thumb

wpr (23h) : yay

Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Mark Murphy says Steelers likely to protect Packers game. Meaning, no Ireland

Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Struggling to figure out what text editor options are needed and which are 'nice to have'

Mucky Tundra (8-Apr) : *CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP*

Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : WR who said he'd break Xavier Worthy 40 time...and ran slower than you

Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Who?

Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Texas’ WR Isaiah Bond is scheduled to visit the Bills, Browns, Chiefs, Falcons, Packers and Titans starting next week.

Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Spotting ball isn't changing, only measuring distance is, Which wasn't the issue.

Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : The spotting of the ball IS the issue. Not the chain gang.

Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Will there be a tracker on the ball or something?

Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : uh oh

Martha Careful (1-Apr) : Too bad camera's can't spot the ball as well.

Mucky Tundra (1-Apr) : So will the chain gang be gone completely or will they still be around as a backup or whatever?

Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : The method for measuring first downs in the NFL will switch from chain gangs to camera-based technology in 2025, the league announced.

Martha Careful (1-Apr) : A big step in the right direction. Just put in the college system is very very good.

Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : NFL has passed a rule that allows both teams to possess the ball in OT during the regular season

Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : Touchbacks on kickoffs will now bring the ball to the 35-yard line.

beast (31-Mar) : It might of gotten more popular recently, but braiding hair (even men) in certain cultures goes back for centuries.

Martha Careful (30-Mar) : Is men braiding their hair a new style thing? Watching the NCAA men's tournament many players have done

Zero2Cool (29-Mar) : Ha. Well, it'd be nice for folks to reset their own password. Via validated email 😏

beast (29-Mar) : Monopoly was supposed to be an educational game, that show how evil capitalism was and how we should avoid it

beast (29-Mar) : Lol, I was thinking username would be better, as then I wouldn't have to keep an email up to date lol 😂

beast (29-Mar) : Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : I was thinking email because I think it'll make folks keep it up todate lol

wpr (29-Mar) : sure is

Zero2Cool (29-Mar) : Monopoly is a rip off of The Landlord's Game

wpr (27-Mar) : 28 days until the draft

earthquake (27-Mar) : Which seemed strange to my 9 year old self, that you could be a fan for a team other than the one you play for

earthquake (27-Mar) : Nothing eventful happened, other than it being clear that he was a bengals fan

earthquake (27-Mar) : And we went and hung out with him one afternoon, I must have been 9 or so

earthquake (27-Mar) : That’s wild, when I was a kid my friend lived in the same apartment complex in De Pere

Mucky Tundra (27-Mar) : Only career highspot was a 200 yard rushing game while playing for the Cardinals

Mucky Tundra (27-Mar) : He is a former Packer. Drafted out of Northern Illinois. Didn't do much in GB.

dfosterf (26-Mar) : Despicable

Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Former NFL. I think Packers too

Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : NFL RB Leshon Johnson has been charged in a massive dog fighting operation, with the FBI seizing over 190 Pit Bulls

Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : Some real irony of a QB as short as Wilson playing for the Giants

Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : Giants country, let's be the tall beings of lore!

Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : Russell Wilson signs with the Giants.

Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : I was thinking email because I think it'll make folks keep it up todate lol

wpr (25-Mar) : I don't think there is a significant difference. I use a user name for many. Others email.

Martha Careful (25-Mar) : email

Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : would it be better to use EMAIL or USERNAME to log into a site?

wpr (25-Mar) : Thanks Zero

Zero2Cool (24-Mar) : New forum has the ability to Thank a post now.

beast (24-Mar) : And the only time they have won the Championship in an even year, was the first time they did, in 2006.

beast (24-Mar) : Since 2007, there have been 10 odd numbered years, Wisconsin Women have won the Championship in 7 of those 10 odd numbered years.

buckeyepackfan (24-Mar) : Congratulations Lady Badger Hockey Team. NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!

Zero2Cool (23-Mar) : I don't think it's completed yet. it was just announced last month, right?

dhazer (23-Mar) : did netflix ever release the Packers documentary

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2024 Packers Schedule

Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM

Eagles

29 - 34

Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM

COLTS

16 - 10

Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM

Titans

30 - 14

Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

29 - 31

Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM

Rams

24 - 19

Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM

CARDINALS

34 - 13

Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM

TEXANS

24 - 22

Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM

Jaguars

30 - 27

Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

14 - 24

Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM

Bears

20 - 19

Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM

49ERS

38 - 10

Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM

DOLPHINS

30 - 17

Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM

Lions

31 - 34

Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM

Seahawks

30 - 13

Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM

SAINTS

34 - 0

Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM

Vikings

25 - 27

Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM

BEARS

22 - 24

Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM

Eagles

10 - 22